2019 National Day Military Parade

Another reasoning, why don't they put vertical stabilizer on the center of the plane like a normal human being? Vertical stabilizer out at wing's tip have one advantage, they don't get obscured by fuselage at large AoA, re-entry vehicle typically does that, check NASA X-38, russian Klipper design is similar in that regard.

One more point for my sub-orbital theory.

Biscuits said:

Just because something is advanced doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. People now turning to ostrich mentality instead doesn’t change reality. When F-22 entered service, Soviets were still saying stealth is fake, and even if it works, is useless.

Given that nothing at the parade was experimental, it’s no more classified than other in service platforms. None of the Russian or American proposed hypersonic weapons are in service, obviously they would not be shown by the military.

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None that we know of. Russia has claims and there have been plenty of "confirmed" tests. Zircon and Avangard (names) come to mind. I'm not saying China doesn't have hypersonics. The US officially have reported on observing China conduct successful hypersonic glide (and perhaps propelled) tests for about a decade now. These are all aimed at testing controlling the vehicles. So they certainly exist. Xiamen University's toying around with double-waveriding hypersonic technology successfully. Hypersonic weapons not only exist but have so for a while. What I am saying is let's not assume all we're seeing here is everything or indeed anything. But of course it's as much as we have to go on and it is plenty of fun.

enroger said:

The "fold" you mentioned I see them as vertical stabilizer, just there to provide yaw stability, nothing fancy there.

My personal take: I don't think this is "hyper-sonic" in the sense that it glide in atmosphere at hyper-sonic speed. I think the rocket simply boost the thing out of atmosphere, the wings are there for re-entry and glide back.

The reasoning is that anything powered with rocket is going to have abysmal range in atmosphere no matter how good the aerodynamic design is, the worse ramjet powered missile is gonna outrange this thing so why bother with wings and landing gear? Therefore it had to be sub-orbital to make sense.

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Yes I think you're right here. I made the mistake of calling them hypersonic in my rush and excitement. This drone since its first "leak" by way satellite images was always considered some sort of supersonic reconnaissance drone.

Your theory about re-entry and the comparison for the NASA X-38 is interesting but it's a design for a re-entry vehicle. What military purpose could that serve? China will need space stations or shuttles to make something like that useful. It would also need to be lifted into space since it obviously cannot get exo-atm on its own.

ougoah said:

Yes I think you're right here. I made the mistake of calling them hypersonic in my rush and excitement. This drone since its first "leak" by way satellite images was always considered some sort of supersonic reconnaissance drone.

Your theory about re-entry and the comparison for the NASA X-38 is interesting but it's a design for a re-entry vehicle. What military purpose could that serve? China will need space stations or shuttles to make something like that useful. It would also need to be lifted into space since it obviously cannot get exo-atm on its own.

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I meant sub-orbital not orbital, just have enough delta-V to get to apogee over say 100km. There's no way this thing can reach LEO, not without help as you said.

There's a number of useful things a suborbital plane offers, I mentioned it could be target spotter for ASBM for one, or other time sensitive super important spy job that requires over-head flight through anti-missile systems.

EDIT: Something like Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne, but with fancy camera.

The LI-1 stealth target drone (discussed in the UAV/UCAV thread few days ago, since it was present at one of the rehearsalas, but covered, of course) didn't appear today, or am I mistaken?

Some high-resolution images of misc. command, communications, logistics, combat engineering, and combat medical vehicles.

Special forces autogyros.

Hyperwarp said:

From what I heard it is a hypersonic cruise missile (I think the announcer said 'hypersonic'). Might have a range of 1000 km or more.

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Is that related to the CJ 10? of which YJ-100 is a subset of? ()

In the September 2014 edition of Joint Forces Quarterly, an article reportedly described CJ-10 as a subsonic missile with a range of more than 1,500 km and a 500 kg payload. The article attributes the missile having a guidance package using

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, and a likely

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for terminal guidance. Ships and ground

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were listed as launch platforms.

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In 2013, the United States believes that the missile has a range of more than 1,500 km, and can potentially carry either conventional or nuclear payloads;

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other sources claim the missile has ranges of 2,000 km (1,200 mi; 1,100 nmi),

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or as much as 4,000 km (2,500 mi; 2,200 nmi).

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In 2004, the CJ-10 was credited with a

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of 10 m.

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The YJ-100 is a subsonic

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version of the CJ-10 with a range of 800 km (500 mi; 430 nmi). The missile can be air-launched by the

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The YJ-100 will have an onboard radar and is potentially a counter to the American

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And DF100 a supersonic/ hypersonic version of CJ10?

Watched a few edited highlights but not yet the full two and a half hours. Very interested to see also the none Chinese military participants.
The word that springs to mind is ...... coalescence