2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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Alleged picture of the shot down bird

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If this picture of the crashed plane is legit, it appears to be a Flanker variant.

Look at the engine position and the mangled “tail” thing to the right of it, between the twin engines. Those are flanker traits.

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There’s also an older video circulating that confirms the captured officer is a Su30 pilot.

Prior to this success, I had doubts about JF17 design and PLA export material in general. This shows that they take these designs seriously.
 
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ougoah said:
Procurement is not the way to go. Lucky that Chinese leaders recognised this reality back in the Mig-17 days. Any imported key equipment no matter how sophisticated it is marketed to be, is far less capable in reality. India needs to find some way to really kickstart their domestic industry. Tejas represents some effort in that direction. Foreign weapons depend on the whims of their manufacturers and the politics of the home country they are made in. They could also be corrupted and important information handed over to unfriendly nations. You think the French will protect Rafale's trade secrets for Indian goodwill when they know they will almost certainly not be used against China? I guess it's still a better bet than going with Su-57.
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Keep in mind that you're talking about a country with an illiteracy rate of at least 20%. That means 1 in 5 Indians can't even write their own name. To make matters worse, India's government has all the corruption of a Third World country with all the inefficiency of democracy - it's the worst of both worlds. The government changes with the tides, and words like "procurement" and "defense industry" are just bludgeons to beat the opposition.

India has no choice but to accept the whims of foreign arms suppliers with all the risk that entails. If it had a quasi-efficient procurement process some of that risk could be mitigated but, alas, even that is a bridge too far.
 
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Biscuits said:
Alleged picture of the shot down bird

5c765432dff57.jpg


If this picture of the crashed plane is legit, it appears to be a Flanker variant.

Look at the engine position and the mangled “tail” thing to the right of it, between the twin engines. Those are flanker traits.

iggfxan.jpg


There’s also an older video circulating that confirms the captured officer is a Su30 pilot.

Prior to this success, I had doubts about JF17 design and PLA export material in general. This shows that they take these designs seriously.
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Certainly looks like a twin engine plane in the first pic. You can see the engine and its nacelle is mostly intact on the left side of the pic. That much debris in the center of the picture does look like it is from a tail sting. Also if you look at the extreme right of the picture near the very edge, you can see what appears to be part of the rounded right engine nacelle.


this pic: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/attachments/6bee3e71-e0ce-4704-bf2e-fc8bfe3bf9ea-jpeg.51197/
 
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Got to add that this is a picture of the plane that crashed in Pakistan. The MKI allegedly crashed in Indian held Kashmir.
 
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