2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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That conclusion is an opinion expressed by the writer of that article. It doesn't change the FACT that Russia promised billions to the Crimeans.
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lol, Russia promised and signed treaties with Ukraine about integrity of Ukrainian borders.

Yeah, it doesn't matter what I think about Russia. Their actions show everything. I can only sit and watch.
 
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solarz said:
That conclusion is an opinion expressed by the writer of that article. It doesn't change the FACT that Russia promised billions to the Crimeans.

Your original argument was that the numbers given in the referendum were not credible on a mathematical basis. I have since pointed out that you were making the problematic assumption that the votes were going to be split along ethnic lines.

Really, it doesn't matter what you think of Russia's efforts to woo the Crimeans. The only relevant factors are that Russia *did* woo the Crimeans. Whether or not they were sucessful, and whether or not the referendum numbers are suspect, can only be conjectures at this point, having no evidence to back it up either way.

However, you cannot just point to the numbers and claim it proves something.
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Presumably Russia still has the $15Billion allocated for the Ukraine last year and will still be prepared to make parts of it available to "friendly" regions and the newly reincorporated Republic of Crimea.
 
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This is how responsible people view Crimea reunification with Russia:
Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
Residents of Crimea voted over the weekend on whether they would remain an autonomous region of Ukraine or join the Russian Federation. In so doing, they joined a number of countries and regions — including recently Scotland, Catalonia and Venice — that are seeking to secede from what they view as unresponsive or oppressive governments.

These latter three are proceeding without much notice, while the overwhelming Crimea vote to secede from Ukraine has incensed U.S. and European Union officials, and has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War.
What's the big deal? Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum. But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law. Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the U.N. is to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples."

Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?

Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"?

Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors.

Though the Obama administration has applied some minimal sanctions on selected Russian and Crimean individuals, neither the U.S. nor the EU can afford significant sanctions against Russia. Global trade provides too much economic benefit to both sides.

Indeed, international markets rallied on news that the sanctions would be thus far minimal. They understand that trade and economic engagement are the surest roads to peace and prosperity. Let's hope governments will follow their lead.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Mr Ron Paul.
 
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Piotr said:
The US is becoming increasingly isolated.



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Presidenta Cristina Fernández is a certifiable idiot populist progressive socialist that is ruining my country. The sooner we can get her and socialist ilk out of office the better. Then maybe Argentina can begin to heal and take its place with respectable nations again. I would not take anything she says seriously.

Thank you for tolerating my rant. I’ll sit down now.
 
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This is a very dangerous man. New de facto PM of Crimea. I have a feeling we will hear a lot more of him in the coming months, years etc.
 
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A French member of parliament for the opposition UMP party, Bruno Le Maire, previously minister for European affairs, doesn't want France to deliver the Mistral frigates ( sic ) to Russia.
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solarz said:
It says the French want to suspend the delivery of two Mistral frigates to Russia.
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Piotr said:
Russia can buy frigates from China. I think China would be more than happy to sell frigates to Russia.
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One, The Russian Navy Already has plenty of Frigates in service and on the Way they still have the emerging Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates.
Two, Mistral is not a Frigate She's a Amphibious Assault ship. AKA a commando Carrier AKA A helicopter Carrier. With a well deck. A capability the Russians have been lacking. Calling her A frigate is like calling the Titanic a Row Boat. right now the Russians don't have the capability set offered by the Mistral.
Three, the Chinese lack a equivalent as well. so if delivery is blocked then the Russian navy is going to have a intended mission gap. the Russians and Chinese could theoretically fill that gap but it would take at least half a decade for them to design one, So unless the PLAN already has one under development and they offer it to Russia this one is a stinger
 
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Ukraine's military says an officer has been killed in an attack on a base in Crimea, the first such death since pro-Russia forces took control in February. Ukraine has now authorised its troops to fire in self defence.

..An eyewitness told the BBC that armed men arrived in two unmarked vehicles, storming the base in Simferopol firing automatic weapons.

The Ukrainian government said a junior officer who was on duty in a park inside the base had been killed and another officer injured. A third serviceman had leg and head injuries after being beaten with iron bars, it said. The government said the commander of the unit was captured by men wearing Russian uniforms.

Defence ministry spokesman Vladislav Seleznyov told Reuters the attack was by "unknown forces, fully equipped and their faces covered". The Ukrainians had had their IDs, weapons and money confiscated, he said. Interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told an emergency government meeting: "The conflict is shifting from a political to a military stage. Russian soldiers have started shooting at Ukrainian military servicemen and that is a war crime."

Reports from the Crimean news agency, Kryminform, said a pro-Russia defence force member had been shot dead. Neither of the accounts can be independently confirmed or whether they relate to the same incident. The BBC's Mark Lowen, in Simferopol, says up until now only warning shots have been fired amid a truce - but it appears the tension has boiled over and there are fears that further clashes could follow.
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Very worrying if people have indeed been shot.

SampanViking said:
Irrespective of whether it is the Western Regions wanting to join the EU or the Eastern wanting to join Russia, that the majority of Ukrainians actually do not want to be a part of Ukraine!
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I think polling suggests a majority of Ukranians do want to stay in the Ukraine. Those that want to join the EU still want to be part of Ukraine - they're not suggesting they want to join Poland or Germany.

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Good news for China?
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Japan only imposing mild sanctions on Russia isn't good news for China. Russia knows Japan has to do something and won't freeze ties (if it's smart) over minimal action.

Besides, why would it be good for China's neighbours to have frosty relations with each other? China benefits from a peaceful region more than a tense one.

delft said:
In the sense that the UK government can say in parliament we change the working of the state in this respect and can have it accepted even without changing the laws of the land that virtual constitution is even easier to change than an ordinary law.
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Nope, it's up to the courts to decide what's constitutional and not. Parliament can legislate, but that doesn't mean the courts will find it compatible with the constitution.

If anything, the unwritten nature of the constitution makes it more difficult to change because a judge can just say a new law is not compatible. It doesn't matter if the government disagrees, there's nothing they can do about it.
 
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The European Sanction list.
BRUSSELS, March 17 (Reuters) - The list of officials subject to European Union sanctions includes
three senior Russian commanders, the prime minister of Crimea, the chairman of the Commonwealth of
Independent States and senior Duma and Federation Council officials.
The officials will be subject to EU visa bans and asset freezes.
Below if the full list of all 21 officials under sanctions for their role in the take-over of control
of Crimea by Russia.

Name Identifying Reasons Date of
information listing
1. Sergey Valeryevich d.o.b. 26.11.1972 Aksyonov was elected "Prime Minister of Crimea" *
Aksyonov in the Crimean Verkhovna Rada on 27 February 2014
in the presence of pro-Russian gunmen. His
"election" was decreed unconstitutional by
Oleksandr Turchynov on 1 March. He actively
lobbied for the "referendum" of 16 March 2014.
2. Vladimir Andreevich d.o.b. 19.03.1967 As speaker of the Supreme Council of the *
Konstantinov Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Konstantinov
played a relevant role in the decisions taken by
the Verkhovna Rada concerning the "referendum"
against territorial integrity of Ukraine and
called on voters to cast votes in favour of
Crimean Independence.
3. Rustam Ilmirovich d.o.b. 15.08.1976 As Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of *
Temirgaliev Crimea, Temirgaliev played a relevant role in the
decisions taken by the Verkhovna Rada concerning
the "referendum" against territorial integrity of
Ukraine. He lobbied actively for integration of
Crimea into the Russian Federation.
4. Deniz Valentinovich d.o.b. 15.07.1974 Berezovskiy was appointed commander of the *
Berezovskiy Ukrainian Navy on 1 March 2014 and swore an oath
to the Crimean armed force, thereby breaking his
oath. The Prosecutor-General's Office of Ukraine
launched an investigation against him for high
treason.
5. Aleksei d.o.b. 13.06.1961 Chaliy became "Mayor of Sevastopol" by popular *
Mikhailovich Chaliy acclamation on 23 February 2014 and accepted this
"vote". He actively campaigned for Sevastopol to
become a separate entity of the Russian
Federation following a referendum on 16 March
2014.
6. Pyotr Anatoliyovych Zima was appointed as the new head of the Crimean *
Zima Security Service (SBU) on 3 March 2014 by "Prime
Minister" Aksyonov and accepted this appointment.
He has given relevant information including a
database to the Russian Intelligence Service
(SBU). This included information on Euro-Maidan
activists and human rights defenders of Crimea.
He played a relevant role in preventing Ukraine's
authorities from controlling the territory of
Crimea.
On 11 March 2014 the formation of an independent
Security Service of Crimea has been proclaimed by
former SBU officers of Crimea.
7. Yuriy Zherebtsov Counsellor of the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada *
of Crimea, one of the leading organizers of the
16 March 2014 "referendum" against Ukraine's
territorial integrity.
8. Sergey Pavlovych d.o.b. 28.03.1953 Vice Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada; Tsekov *
Tsekov initiated together with Sergey Aksyonov the
unlawful dismissal of the government of the
Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC). He drew into
this endeavour Vladimir Konstantinov, threatening
him with his dismissal. He publicly recognized
that the MPs from Crimea were the initiators of
inviting Russian soldiers to take over Verkhovna
Rada of Crimea. He was one of the first Crimean
Leaders to ask in public for annexation of Crimea
to Russia.
9. Ozerov, Viktor d.o.b. 5.1.1958 Chairman of the Security and Defense Committee of *
Alekseevich in Abakan, the Federation Council of the Russian Federation.
Khakassia On 1 March 2014 Ozerov, on behalf of the Security
and Defense Committee of the Federation Council,
publicly supported in the Federation Council the
deployment of Russian forces in Ukraine.
10 Dzhabarov, Vladimir d.o.b. 29.9.1952 First Deputy-Chairman of the International *
. Michailovich Affairs Committee of the Federation Council of
the Russian Federation.
On 1 March 2014 Dzhabarov, on behalf of the
International Affairs Committee of the Federation
Council, publicly supported in the Federation
Council the deployment of Russian forces in
Ukraine.
11 Klishas, Andrei d.o.b. 9.11.1972 Chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Law *
. Aleksandrovich in Sverdlovsk of the Federation Council of the Russian
Federation.
On 1 March 2014 Klishas publicly supported in the
Federation Council the deployment of Russian
forces in Ukraine. In public statements Klishas
sought to justify a Russian military intervention
in Ukraine by claiming that "the Ukrainian
President supports the appeal of the Crimean
authorities to the President of the Russian
Federation on landing an all-encompassing
assistance in defense of the citizens of Crimea".
12 Ryzhkov, Nikolai d.o.b. 28.9.1929 Member of the Committee for federal issues, *
. Ivanovich in Duleevka, regional politics and the North of the Federation
Donetsk region, Council of the Russian Federation.
Ukrainian SSR On 1 March 2014 Ryzhkov publicly supported in the
Federation Council the deployment of Russian
forces in Ukraine.
13 Bushmin, Evgeni d.o.b. 4.10.1958 Deputy Speaker of the Federation Council of the *
. Viktorovich in Lopatino, Russian Federation.
Sergachiisky On 1 March 2014 Bushmin publicly supported in the
region, RSFSR Federation Council the deployment of Russian
forces in Ukraine.
14 Totoonov, Aleksandr d.o.b. 3.3.1957 Member of the Committee on culture, science, and *
. Borisovich in Ordzhonikidze, information of the Federation Council of the
North Ossetia Russian Federation.
On 1 March 2014 Totoonov publicly supported in
the Federation Council the deployment of Russian
forces in Ukraine.
15 Panteleev, Oleg d.o.b. 21.7.1952 First Deputy Chairman of the Committee on *
. Evgenevich in Zhitnikovskoe, Parliamentary Issues.
Kurgan region On 1 March 2014 Panteleev publicly supported in
the Federation Council the deployment of Russian
forces in Ukraine.
16 Mironov, Sergei d.o.b. 14.2.1953 Member of the Council of the State Duma; Leader *
. Mikhailovich in Pushkin, of Fair Russia faction in the Duma of the Russian
Leningrad region Federation.
Initiator of the bill allowing Russian Federation
to admit in its composition, under the pretext of
protection of Russian citizens, territories of a
foreign country without a consent of that country
or of an international treaty.
17 Zheleznyak, Sergei d.o.b. 30.7.1970 Deputy Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian *
. Vladimirovich in St Petersburg Federation.
(former Actively supporting use of Russian Armed Forces
Leningrad) in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea. He led
personally the demonstration in support of the
use of Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.
18 Slutski, Leonid d.o.b. 4.01.1968 Chairman of the Commonwealth of Independent *
. Eduardovich in scow States (CIS) Committee of the State Duma of the
Russian Federation (member of the LDPR).
Actively supporting use of Russian Armed Forces
in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea.
19 Vitko, Aleksandr d.o.b. 13.9.1961 Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice-Admiral. *
. Viktorovich in Vitebsk Responsible for commanding Russian forces that
(Belarusian SSR) have occupied Ukrainian sovereign territory.
20 Sidorov, Anatoliy Commander, Russia's Western Military District, *
. Alekseevich units of which are deployed in Crimea.
Commander of Russia's Western Military District,
units of which are deployed in Crimea. He is
responsible for part of the Russian military
presence in Crimea which is undermining the
sovereignty of the Ukraine and assisted the
Crimean authorities in preventing public
demonstrations against moves towards a referendum
and incorporation into Russia.
21 Galkin, Aleksandr Russia's Southern Military District, forces of *
. which are in Crimea; the Black Sea Fleet comes
under Galkin's command; much of the force
movement into Crimea has come through the
Southern Military District.
Commander of Russia's Southern Military District
("SMD"). SMD forces are deployed in Crimea. He is
responsible for part of the Russian military
presence in Crimea which is undermining the
sovereignty of the Ukraine and assisted the
Crimean authorities in preventing public
demonstrations against moves towards a referendum
and incorporation into Russia. Additionally the
Black Sea Fleet falls within the District's
control.
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21 people. ohhh Putin is shaking in his KGB issue Shoes. You know the ones with the poison tipped switch blade.
FACT SHEET: Ukraine-Related Sanctions

President Obama today issued a new Executive Order (E.O.) under the national emergency with respect to Ukraine that finds that the actions and policies of the Russian government with respect to Ukraine -– including through the deployment of Russian military forces in the Crimea region of Ukraine –- undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misappropriation of its assets.

This new authority expands upon E.O. 13660, which the President signed less than two weeks ago, by authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, to impose sanctions on named officials of the Russian government, any individual or entity that operates in the Russian arms industry, and any designated individual or entity that acts on behalf of, or that provides material or other support to, any senior Russian government official. We have fashioned these sanctions to impose costs on named individuals who wield influence in the Russian government and those responsible for the deteriorating situation in Ukraine. We stand ready to use these authorities in a direct and targeted fashion as events warrant.

In response to the Russian government’s actions contributing to the crisis in Ukraine, this new E.O. lists seven Russian government officials who are being designated for sanctions. These individuals are Vladislav Surkov, Sergey Glazyev, Leonid Slutsky, Andrei Klishas, Valentina Matviyenko, Dmitry Rogozin, and Yelena Mizulina.

The United States also will seek to hold accountable individuals who use their resources or influence to support or act on behalf of senior Russian government officials. We recognize that the Russian leadership derives significant support from, and takes action through, individuals who do not themselves serve in any official capacity. Our current focus is to identify these individuals and target their personal assets, but not companies that they may manage on behalf of the Russian state.

In addition to the new E.O., the Treasury Department today has imposed sanctions on four other individuals under E.O. 13660, issued on March 6, for their actions or policies that threaten the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine and in undermining the Government of Ukraine. They are Crimea-based separatist leaders Sergey Aksyonov and Vladimir Konstantinov; former Ukrainian presidential chief of staff Viktor Medvedchuk; and former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.

Today’s actions send a strong message to the Russian government that there are consequences for their actions that violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including their actions supporting the illegal referendum for Crimean separation. The United States, together with international partners, will continue to stand by the Ukrainian government to ensure that costs are imposed on Crimean separatists and their Russian backers. Today’s actions also serve as notice to Russia that unless it abides by its international obligations and returns its military forces to their original bases and respects Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, the United States is prepared to take additional steps to impose further political and economic costs.

Vladislav Surkov: Surkov is being sanctioned for his status as a Presidential Aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Sergey Glazyev: Glazyev is being sanctioned for his status as a Presidential Adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Leonid Slutsky: Slutsky is being sanctioned for his status as a State Duma deputy, where he is Chairman of the Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration, and Relations with Compatriots.
Andrei Klishas: Klishas is being sanctioned for his status as a Member of the Council of Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and as Chairman of the Federation Council Committee of Constitutional Law, Judicial, and Legal Affairs, and the Development of Civil Society.
Valentina Matviyenko: Matviyenko is being sanctioned for her status as Head of the Federation Council
Dmitry Rogozin: Rogozin is being sanctioned for his status as the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.
Yelena Mizulina: Mizulina is being sanctioned for her status as a State Duma Deputy.
Sergey Aksyonov: Aksyonov is being designated for threatening the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine, and for undermining Ukraine’s democratic institutions and processes. Aksyonov claims to be the Prime Minister of Crimea and has rejected the authority of the legitimate government in Kyiv.
Vladimir Konstantinov: Konstantinov is being designated for threatening the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine, and for undermining Ukraine’s democratic institutions and processes. Konstantinov is the speaker of the Crimean parliament, which on March 11, 2014, declared independence from Ukraine.
Viktor Medvedchuk: Medvedchuk, leader of Ukrainian Choice, is being designated for threatening the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine, and for undermining Ukraine’s democratic institutions and processes. He is also being designated because he has materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support to Yanukovych and because he is a leader of an entity that has, or whose members have, engaged in actions or policies that undermine democratic processes or institutions in Ukraine and actions or policies that threaten the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine.
Viktor Yanukovych: Former Ukrainian President Yanukovych is being designated for threatening the peace, security, stability, sovereignty, or territorial integrity of Ukraine, and for undermining Ukraine’s democratic institutions and processes. After abandoning Kyiv and ultimately fleeing to Russia, Viktor Yanukovych called upon Russian President Vladimir Putin to send Russian troops into Ukraine.
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10 people... Oh My gosh I think Putin just wet himself... From laughing so hard.
I have to Admit I was wrong it's not even a Slap on the Wrist. it's a huff.
 
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Very sad for the World at large. Just as we thought the "cold" war has ended after so many years of antagonistic stances between the US & Western Europe vs USSR & its cohorts (States) of Eastern Europe, we now find a BIG country Russia taking advantage of a smaller one Ukraine. Depends on which side one favours, as history can be interpreted to suit its purpose. Politicians will always use their military strength (if any) to gain the strategic advantage. Analyse & Strategize - that's what leaders would do & Putin of Russia appears to be the master of the game presently ... however story not ended yet!
 
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