2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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delft

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The US has more Gas, Coal, and Oil reserves than any other. If the US develops it to the fullest extent in order to become energy independent itself and then become an even larger exporter than we are now...we will impact and drive the market and prices. As of yet, it has not been developed to that extent. But it could do so, though as I stated, it will take a long time.

Two questions, Jeff.
1. Can you actually produce and export fuel at the scale you envision at a sufficiently low price to impact the current exporters sufficiently? I know wages are sinking in the US but still...
2. If you do you are likely to influence the climate greatly. Together with other dubious policies, could you pay for this:
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Jeff Head

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Herein lies the nub Jeff and it seems to revolve around numbers.

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That seems petty hard and dry, that they were short of numbers to vote the measure through. There are a good many other salient points made in this article as well.
It would be cut and dry if the definition of what defines a constitutionally constituted session required 449 members to be present.

But according to the Ukrainian Constitution it does not.

The session can constitutionally be constituted if 2/3rd of the members in session are duly elected members.

Under the provision defined in Title IV, Article 82, 2/3rd of those present in a constitutional session must be elected members. If 2/3rds of the members in session are elected members, then the session can proceed constitutionally and conduct business.

Title IV said:
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall work in sessions. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall be legally constituted provided that at least two-thirds of its constitutional membership has been elected.

Meeting in session as they did, 2/3rd of the members present in the constitutional "quorum" if you will, must vote to impeach, and then 3/4 must vote to remove. That is what happened.

I am sure that people will argue about this for a long time to come, but even in the US House of Representatives and the Senate, it does not require 100% of membership to be there for the official session to be recognized.
 
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SampanViking

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I have little doubt that the counter argument will be that in the Ukraine a higher percentage or 100% is required to impeach etc.

But, as you say, this is one for the constitutional lawyers to chew over and good to luck to them!.

Still leaves open questions about the missing MP's the limits of authority for a caretaker government etc and of course the February 21st accord, which has not been honoured

In short still a lot of questions and a gulf of difference in interpretations.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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9 March 2014 Last updated at 14:41 ET
Ukraine gripped by rival rallies
Tens of thousands of people in Ukraine have held rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies, as Moscow continues to strengthen its grip on Crimea.
Pro-Russia supporters beat up their opponents in Sevastopol, Crimea.
In the eastern city of Luhansk, pro-Russian activists seized regional offices forcing the governor to resign.
UK and German leaders telephoned Russian President Vladimir Putin to urge him to pull back from Crimea. The region is to vote to secede next week.
Addressing a huge crowd in Kiev to mark the 200th birth anniversary of national poet Taras Shevchenko, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk pledged not to give a "single centimetre" of Ukrainian land to the Kremlin.
Ukraine's defence minister has said Kiev has no plans to send the army to Crimea.
Elsewhere on Sunday:
In the eastern city of Donetsk, pro-Russian protesters take down a Ukrainian flag near the regional government building, replacing it with a Russian flag;
In Kharkiv, also in the east, some 10,000 people reportedly march to support Ukraine's unity, chanting "No to war!" and "Ukraine, Kharkiv, Crimea!"
Russia's ex-tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who spent a decade behind bars, accuses Moscow of being complicit with Ukraine's ousted government in using deadly violence against protesters
In Yevpatoriya, western Crimea, pro-Russian forces threaten to storm the command point of a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile unit if the personnel there do not surrender their weapons, a representative of the base tells BBC News.
In Sevastopol, the violence erupted when pro-Russian groups attacked dozens of people guarding a rally to commemorate Taras Shevchenko.
The crowd threw missiles at a car as the activists tried to flee the scene, smashing windows. A BBC reporter in Sevastopol described the scenes as very ugly.
Some of the attackers were Russian Cossacks with whips.
The rally was attended by about 200 people.
A rival pro-Russian demonstration was also staged in the city - the base of Russia's Black Sea Fleet.
Moscow has been tightening its military grip on the Crimean peninsula.
Mr Putin has insisted he has the right to protect Russian interests and the rights of ethnic Russians there.
Mr Putin said "the steps taken by Crimea's legitimate authorities are based on international law".
However, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told him on Sunday that she considered the 16 March referendum on whether to secede from Ukraine and join Russia illegal.
Unrest in Ukraine erupted in November, following former President Viktor Yanukovych's last-minute rejection of a landmark EU deal in favour of a bailout from Russia.
Mr Yanukovych was ousted last month, and a new government has been voted in by the Ukrainian parliament.
Presidential elections are scheduled for 25 May.
new elections May 25,
 

AssassinsMace

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I was watching GPS 360 on CNN this morning. They had Stephen Kotkin who's the head of Russian studies at Princeton. He said right now the Russians are begging to the Chinese to support their annexation of Crimea and are willing to give anything. Really?
 

delft

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I was watching GPS 360 on CNN this morning. They had Stephen Kotkin who's the head of Russian studies at Princeton. He said right now the Russians are begging to the Chinese to support their annexation of Crimea and are willing to give anything. Really?
Funny. :) Ambassador Bhadrakumar already showed that both India and China support Russia.
 

Piotr

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I just have found interesting (and ontopic) opinion about recent developments in Ukraine and Crimea. This article shows things in a wider perspective. There are many similarities between recent revolution in Ukraine and attack aganst Serbia, Afganistan etc.

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2nd, your own opine at the end deals with issues that are completely off topic, about a Polish Car Factory, that has nothing to do with this situation in the Ukraine, but which is inflaming opinion in a very general sence against the western countries, and as such, those comments have been removed.

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thunderchief

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In international politics might is always right . So called "international laws" are in fact very fluid rules of the game, made to create some kind of balance between global powers and avoid wars.

We had one set of rules(laws) during Cold War, and after the breakup of the USSR, western powers (primarily US) broke those laws numerous times in so called "humanitarian interventions" . Why they did it ? Because they could.

Unfortunately for them, Russia is no longer on the knees, and now they start to break rules and create their own. Western usual game of "toppling dictator" (although dictator was democratically elected in elections certified by EU and US ;) ) didn't work as expected because Russia refuses to play by the rules imposed by the West. Therefore, West has two choices : 1. either to confront Russia 2. or to accept new situation which requires new set of international laws .
 

delft

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A wide ranging blog post from Ambassador Bhadrakumar on the political situation around Ukraine and its influence in Central Asia:
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Ukraine’s shadow on Central Asian steppes

Russia is increasingly left with no choice but to ‘declassify’ the privileged information in its possession regarding the western intelligence operation that forced the power grab in Kiev. It is extraordinary that Russia handed over to the UN Security Council the information with the request to hold an impartial international investigation.

Of course, any such move for impartial investigation will be vetoed by the United States. Russia knows it, too, but then, there is also an information war going on today regarding the situation around Ukraine and from Moscow’s point of view, as tensions keep rising, it has become imperative to expose the US’ narrative to be sheer baloney.
Clearly, Poland and Lithuania would not have ventured into the operation to train extremists to overthrow Yanukovich without getting the green signal from Washington. That is to say, Russia is putting on the horseshoe table at the UN the intelligence regarding a Holy Grail that belongs to the White House.
This is deadly serious stuff because it casts President Barack Obama in an altogether new light as a ‘cold warrior’ himself, whereas the American official propaganda would have us believe that the president is a helpless statesman largely acting under domestic political compulsions.
What emerges on balance is that there is no way the US-Russia tattered ties can be mended during the remaining period of Obama’s presidency. Equally, there is no way Russia is going to let down its guard about the US intelligence activities in its ‘near abroad’.
Thus, it cannot be business as usual in Afghanistan and Central Asia, which used to be an important template of the so-called US-Russia reset. Lest it is forgotten, President Vladimir Putin played a key role in establishing the American military bases in the Central Asian region in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks in 2001.
Again, up until now, Russia took an ambivalent position on the establishment of military bases in Afghanistan by the US and North Atlantic Treaty Organization. But all this will give way to a sense of great wariness about the implications of long-term, open-ended western military presence in the region.
Indeed, the Obama administration’s pretence that the US will be doing a favor for the Afghan people and regional stability — and especially to contain the India-Pakistan turf war in the Hindu Kush — by keeping long-term military presence in the region will henceforth be taken by Moscow with more than a mere pinch of salt.
Washington’s male fide intentions over Ukraine should alert Moscow to the great potential for the CIA to use Afghan soil to bring about ‘regime change’ in Central Asia and to foment trouble in North Caucasus.
In fact, the recent attack on the border guards of Turkmenistan from elements of obscure origin from Afghanistan is a harbinger of what to expect. Of course, the blame got to be put on the Taliban (although Ashgabat is keeping its thoughts to itself over the incident in which three Turkmen guards were killed.)
But why should the Taliban attack Turkmenistan and annoy Ashgabat, which used to be the one and only genuinely friendly Central Asian capital that uniquely maintained good rapport with Kabul even during the Taliban rule in the late 1990s?
Put differently, someone seems to be making out a good case to convince Ashgabat (whose foreign policy is riveted on the principle of ‘positive neutrality’) that Turkmenistan does need some help from the US and NATO as a provider of security.
By coincidence, the March 1 incident on the Turkmen-Afghan border comes amidst reports that the US intelligence is keenly looking for facilities in Central Asia for supporting the drone aircraft’s surveillance operations.
To be sure, Central Asian regimes will be keenly watching the developments unfolding in Ukraine. They would know in the light of the intelligence reports that Moscow has ‘declassified’ that the bell tolls for them as well. Symptomatic of the latent fears in the region is the decision by Dushanbe to block the broadcast by the US government-funded Radio Liberty & Free Europe.
A curious twist to the current ‘color revolution’ in Ukraine is that the US intelligence organized the ultra-nationalists as the foot soldiers to stage the coup. It so happens that the post-Soviet regimes in Central Asia, especially Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, have also encouraged (for a variety of reasons) nationalist sentiments to take root in their society and it may come to haunt them if foreign powers co-opt the ultra-nationalists as has happened in Ukraine.
The events in Ukraine underscore the ease with which bottled up popular resentments can be exploited by foreign powers to push for ‘regime change’. On the surface, the Central Asian region remains calm but almost all the elements that made Ukraine into a volcano waiting to erupt are existent there.
The beefing up of the Russian military presence in Central Asia, therefore, has a huge geopolitical backdrop. The Russian thinking has hitherto been that Russia on one side and the US and the NATO on the other side would have a congruence of interests to minimize, if not eliminate, the instability factors affecting the security and stability of Central Asia and Afghanistan.
However, as Ukraine developments unfold, there is bound to be a paradigm shift. Suffice to say, it will be too risky for the Kremlin to contemplate the US and NATO as benign partners anymore. It cannot be lost on Moscow that the author of the famous book, The Grand Chessboard, Zbigniew Brzezinski is today openly talking about NATO mobilization, “deploying forces in Central Europe so we are in a position to respond if war should break out and spread.”
 
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