2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos
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Wouldn't have made any difference. Both Russia and Ukraine in this crisis are driven by factors vastly more important to the each of them than then their involvement in SCO.
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TerraN_EmpirE
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I highly doubt they would have joined the Great Shanghai Cooperation Organization, of the Dozen or so Eurasian cooperatives they only took observer status in the Eurasian Economic Community pact.
Miragedriver
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I could not find anything that indicates that the Ukrainian farm deal with China was a hoax (see articles below). If the deal is legitimate, then from an economic standpoint, China has good reasons to maintain friendly relations with both Russia and the new Ukrainian government. China last year became the world’s largest importer of crude oil, and Russia is its fourth largest source. Also from the articles it seem that the Chinese/Ukrainian negotiations to lease more tracts of farmland in east Ukraine, is being frowned on by Russia, given that Ukraine was/is Russia’s breadbasket.
I think I begin to understand something about the dynamics of the Ukrainian parliament. I read sometime ago, in my Dutch newspaper IIRC, that president Yanukovich was driven out when an oligarch ( I have forgotten his name ) with 40 members of parliament changed sides. No doubt other oligarchs who didn't want to run the risk of their possessions in the West being seized, as is now publicly being threatened, followed suit and the Nuland coup was a fact. However Nuland had selected extremists for her government one of whose first acts was to exclude other languages than Ukrainian for communications with the public. This act has been annulled but it shows that these extremists cannot be part of the solution to this crisis. The Western countries will have to accept an interim government as per the February 21 agreement to organize free and fair elections.
asif iqbal
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Arleigh Burke passing through the Bosphorous straits
Flying that Turkish flag makes me wonder if Turkey had been like Japan they could have a had few of these DDG for themselves would have a been a huge naval power
Flying that Turkish flag makes me wonder if Turkey had been like Japan they could have a had few of these DDG for themselves would have a been a huge naval power
You seem to think a coup is where a government is changed by means that you don't like, not where a government is changed by means that is illegal.
The Truxtun is a powerful US Navy destroyer, but she clearly is not meant to confront the Russians.Arleigh Burke passing through the Bosphorous straits
She will will have no at sea support there in the Black Sea.
The USS Taylor, which was off of Sochi during the Olympics, and which is good for ASW work, is not going to be p a part of this. She's currently in port in Greece I believe, being repaired after running aground and damaging her prop...so Truxtun is alone.
Now, the Truxton is a part of the George H.W. Bush,CVN-77, carrier group and the Bush is remaining in the Med. So, with the tensions, I imagine the Bush is keeping watch and prepared to assist with aircraft f necessary...but the Russians will have them out manned and outgunned in any case way up in the Black Sea if things went awry.
I do not expect them too.
The US would have to send a couple of destroyers and be accompanied by a NATO SAG of 3-4 ships for them to pose any real surface challenge to the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
The USS Taylor is an Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate and the US still has 18 (out of an original 51 built for the US Navy) of them in service.
Their anti-air Standard missile launcher was removed because it was viewed as too expensive to upgrade them to fire the newer standard missiles. This decision also removed the capability for them to launch ASM Harpoons from the launcher. However, the Australians and the Turks upgraded their Perrys adding VLS tubes that allow the newer missiles to be launched. Those vessels now remain effective multi-role FFGs.
In US Service however, they vessels replaced the standard, single arm missile launcher and it's 40 round magazine with a single Mk-38 mod 2, 25mm auto cannon. Now, in US service the vessels are armed with the 25mm gun forward, a 76mm main gun amidships, and a 20mm Phalanx CIWS aft. They also carry two Seahawk helicopters and are therefore still very good in the ASW role.
Here's the USS Taylor, FFG-50, as she deployed. You can clearly see all three of her guns, and the two hangers for her helicopters in this photo.
Turkey has a strong Navy with some very significant surface combatants.
They have eight Oliver Hazard Perry calls frigates, called the Gabya Class in Turkey, that were all significantly modernized and upgraded between 2007 and 2011, which upgraded the single arm mount to fire newer standard missiles, added an 8-cell VLS for 32 ESSM missiles, and carriers eight Harpoon missiles. (IMHO, the US should have done a similar upgrade to 20 or so of the US Navy OHPs.) Each of these displace 4,100 tons.
They also have eight 3,000 tons displacement frigates which are based on German MEKO frigate designs which are similarly armed to the Perrys.
The Turks also have eight fairly large, modern and capable Corvettes (2,300 tons (4) and 1,300 tons (4), and 14 SSK submarines.
That's 24 modern surface combatants and 14 diesel electric submarines.
So, if Turkey wanted to afford 2-4 large destroyers, they probably could...but given their location and their maritime commitments, IMHO, it would not make a lot of sense for them to do so.
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