2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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This thread my not be the place to bring this up. However I feel that it needs to be mentioned here since events occurring in Ukraine could be the catalyst for a change in the global economy. Many posts have eluded to this but if the moderators feel that a separate thread is require, or that we drop the subject (since it is off topic) so be it. I’ll respect what is decided.

One thing that is beginning to concern me are the somewhat limited monitay threats that are being generated by the government in Washington. The US has unfortunately lost some of its Allies in the last five years (spying, bad politics, etc..) and I fear that other countries will no longer be willing to tolerate Washington’s total dominance of the world dollar standard. Washington uses the dollar-based international payments system to reprimand the economies of countries that resist international law and to some extents Washington’s political will.

There is a possibility that Russia and China many have had enough. They may begin to disconnecting their international trade from the dollar and switch to the Euro or another currency. Therefore, Russia may begin to conduct its trade, including the sale of oil and natural gas to Europe, in Euros, Rubbles or in any currency which is not the dollar.

America has been very fortunate in that it is the only nation that can print dollars (legally) and as a result can control inflation since the world utilizes the dollar as a trading standard. However if the dollar is removed from the international trading standard, we will begin to see inflation, or even hyperinflation begin in the USA. Which could a very detrimental effect on the world economy as a whole.

Several other nations around the world have tried to print more money to cover the lack of revenue or to pay for government projects and have inadvertently caused hyperinflation. Hyperinflation is a tipping point, death spiral; positive feedback loop that once entered is very hard to get out of. What happens is that the more the central bank prints new money and buys bonds, the less other people want to buy them. But the less other people buy them the more the central bank has to so that the government has enough cash to spend. Once this "adverse feedback loop" is started you get a flood of new money as all the short term bonds are monetized. This problem can be complicated even further if a particular nation has a large amount of short term debt (typical for country about to get hyperinflation).

Thank you all for listening to my fear in the form of a rant.

I think you make a good point regarding the macroeconomics and US inflation, as an average US citizen I am very concerned about that. They are intimately tied to domestic as well as international politics in the US and elsewhere, that is definitely off topic so I won't get into it.

You mention the US losing allies in the past 5 years due to various events, I would say those are merely last straws and it is the culmination of many happenings since at least the 2003 Iraq War if not all the way back to the beginning of the current post-Cold War era in the early 1990s.
 

delft

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China has been preparing for financial change and 2015 is the year most often mentioned for introduction of free exchange for RMB. At that time Russia might price its oil and gas exports in RMB. One reason for several parties to be in a hurry wrt Ukraine.
 

Miragedriver

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I think you make a good point regarding the macroeconomics and US inflation, as an average US citizen I am very concerned about that. They are intimately tied to domestic as well as international politics in the US and elsewhere, that is definitely off topic so I won't get into it.

You mention the US losing allies in the past 5 years due to various events, I would say those are merely last straws and it is the culmination of many happenings since at least the 2003 Iraq War if not all the way back to the beginning of the current post-Cold War era in the early 1990s.

Agreed PA. We can talk on a private message, or start another thread. But yes this has been going on since the early 2000’s. As I said before there is a new cold war on. And was a lot easier to tell friends from enemies in the last cold war.
 

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In a totally unsurprising development, there seems to be mounting and significant evidence that pro-Russia Ukrainian separatists are probably actual Russian soldiers.

The New York Times reached this conclusion after comparing a number of photographs of the militia to those of "activists" in Crimea and Russian soldiers who fought in the Chechen war.

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So a lot of those mysterious green soldiers are prove to be Russians after all.
 

plawolf

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It would be no great revelation if true, but I find the 'evidence' of that story suspect at best.

With such poor resolution images and such a massive beard and cap covering so much of the face, its near impossible to positively ID the bearded men as one and the same.

Using such flimsy criteria, one could 'positively' ID Santa Claus at thousands of shopping malls across the world at the same time around the Christmas holiday period every single year.

The rest of the highlighted faces are even harder to match up for the lack of any distinguishable features.

Look like classic backwards journalism to me, where the story is motivated by the journalists already have a conclusion in mind and were out looking for a 'smoking gun' to prove it rather than looking at evidence objectively to come up with the most likely conclusion.
 

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So a lot of those mysterious green soldiers are prove to be Russians after all.
The Bearded man's Uniform is Multicam, Before any one tries to use that as proof of something wrong with the Photo, both Elite Russian Special Forces Groups Alpha (FSB), And Vampl(GRU) Use Multicam. Next Not the Shoulder Insignia. The Bat(man) Emblem, On a Blue Cross hairs in a Yellow outer ring Is that of Spetsnaz GRU. ( for the record Batman predates the GRU and there are any number of military units who's Insignia resemble those of Superheros. VAQ 133 of the USN resembles the Flash's logo for example.
 

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How Obama’s White House Lost Ukraine in a Few Stupid Steps

The Fiscal Times
By Patrick Smith
15 hours ago

No one wants to say so, but the Obama administration has backed the wrong horse in Ukraine, and the misguided wager is a big loss. It is hardly the president’s first failure on the foreign side, but it may prove the costliest of his many to date.


For a while it was possible to pretend, just barely, that supporting the coup against Viktor Yanukovych, the elected president hounded into exile in February, would prove a sound judgment. Obama always came across as a welterweight in the ring with Vladimir Putin, simply not up to the Russian leader’s command of all available moves. But one could imagine Secretary of State Kerry clearing an exit corridor with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.


For a while it looked as though the provisional government in Kiev might prove worthy of bailout funds from the U.S., the European Union, and the International Monetary Fund, despite the new regime’s legitimacy problems. Putin took (back) Crimea and prompted little more than impotent bleating, true. But there was hope that this new bunch could hold together what remained of the nation at least until the elections scheduled for May 25.

It is all by the boards now. Regardless of how you may construe these past six months in Ukraine, we have just watched a failed effort to wrest the nation straight out of Russia’s sphere of influence and insert it into the West’s. It is now easy to conclude that the second-term Obama White House has not one foreign policy success to its credit and none in prospect. (The first term looks little better, for that matter.)

Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Mideast, Syria, China, and probably Iran in coming months: Nothing ad hominem here, but figuratively speaking, the failure-prone Kerry has crashed more helicopters in the desert than Jimmy Carter ever ordered airborne.

Success in Ukraine was never in the cards for this administration. But it slipped beyond all grasp late last week, when the provisionals ordered a military operation to quell dissent in the numerous eastern cities where pro–Russian sentiment tends to be strong. Touching and pathetic all at once, an account of the result is worth reading simply as a reality check.


There is no coming back when your soldiers and security forces not only refuse orders once in the east, but volunteer their ammunition, guns, tanks, artillery, and personnel carriers to the locals, saying they have no stomach for the mission. Readers may disagree, but I will never take the provisionals in Kiev as other than the opportunistic imposters I took them to be from the first. The first conclusion here: Kiev should get no money from anyone until a proper government is elected to office.

Next came the agreement Washington, the E.U., Moscow, and the provisionals negotiated in Geneva last Thursday. Instantly it appeared to make even less difference than the little it was first expected to.


Washington immediately complained that Russia refused to call off its operatives in the east, who are supposedly to blame for all the unrest. Three big problems here.
1.Russia’s role is not completely clear, but when there are 40,000 Russian troops stationed around the Eastern perimeter of Ukraine, it gives insurgents a lot of confidence.
2.It stretches credibility to suggest that the residents of eastern Ukraine are empty-headed such that Moscow has them all playing the same music without any thought of their own.
3.Three, a firefight Sunday at a roadblock in the east almost certainly involved paramilitaries in support of the provisionals. Moscow asserted that they were from Right Sektor, the neo-fascists who rammed the provisionals into power three months back. It is a sad measure of Kiev’s credibility, but in any detached judgment the Russians’ account cannot be dismissed. If true, it took Kiev three days to breach the Geneva agreement.

Obama took an extraordinary step Saturday, and again there seems no turning back from it. As The New York Times reported, the president has just declared Cold War II, having concluded that there is no working with Putin even if a solution in Ukraine develops.


The project is to “ignore the master of the Kremlin, minimize the disruption Putin can cause,” and “effectively make Russia a pariah state.” All of this is advanced as position-of-strength imagery and strategy.

It can be read as such only by the gullible. Turn this around and Obama has just announced a pout that amounts to his surrender to a statesman who has boxed his ears in every round.

Apart from this, it is compounding error to bring back the confrontation at the Cold War’s core. Just as wrong is NATO’s new plan to push its presence as close to Russia’s frontiers as it can.

Are we now watching the start of another generation of needless tension and division between Europe and its easterly neighbor? It is the obvious risk as of this past weekend, and it is already evident the economic costs will be formidable: wasteful military and security spending, redundant infrastructure in the hundreds of billions of dollars, opportunity costs that simply cannot be calculated.

Most immediately, Washington and the European allies ought to be reversing course and turning Ukraine into a field of cooperation with Russia by way of a commonly supported bailout devoid of geopolitical motivation. This kind of thinking is now antique idealism, of course—something to hang in a museum.

A decade and a half into a new century and the place of foreign policy has already shifted. A good one is essential to any nation’s well-being in this new era. As things stand now, Ukraine is due to show us the damage a bad one can do.

As for no.1 of the "big three problems..." Telling people the US backs them also gives a lot of confidence. And in this type of situation it's the same as saying military backing. Playing chicken with Putin is also not recommended.
 

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I kid you not, American and Russian military dolphins might be facing off each other soon in the Black Sea. Make sense to me because of the dolphins intelligence and ability to find and disrupt sea mines and enemy sonars if trained properly. They can be trained for underwater recon for the navy as well in waters that are hard to reach by human divers.

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The tense East-West standoff in Ukraine could reach a new level of escalation: underwater. According to a report from the Russian newspaper Izvestia, the United States Navy's marine mammal unit will be deployed to the Black Sea this summer, where American dolphins and sea lions could find themselves nose-to-nose with their Russian counterparts.

The paper reports that according to a statement by Tom LaPuzza, spokesman for the US Navy's marine mammals program, twenty dolphins and ten sea lions will be in the Black Sea for one-to-two weeks this summer, conducting NATO exercises in a body of water that is traditionally been dominated by the Russian navy.

The dolphins will be testing a new anti-radar system, created to "disorientate enemy sonars", said LaPuzza. While the dolphins are doing that, the sea lions will be trained to "look for mines and naval divers." According to the paper, they also allegedly plan to test out new dolphin armor developed at the University of Hawaii. This will be NATO's first use of militarized sea creatures.

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This trip could also mark the first meeting of Russian and American sea creatures. Russia and the United States are the only countries known to have militarized dolphins at this time. Crimean dolphins, which were owned by Ukraine before Russia recently acquired (well, stole) them, have trained in the Black Sea previously. Since Russia is revamping the Sevastopol dolphin training center, it is extremely likely the Black Sea will be home to both sea creature units at the same time this summer.

The United States Navy does not seem particularly concerned with the rival dolphins hanging out, even though the Russian program has been rather secretive about its plans: "We have no official data on the Russian center, and I cannot say how we assess the capabilities of your dolphins," says LaPuzza. The United States dolphins and sea lions might be at a disadvantage, though. The American critters will be traveling several thousand miles from their home base in San Diego, to the naval ship in the Black Sea. The creatures will travel in special baths so they are as comfortable as possible. Dolphins (probably) don't get jet lag, but a several thousand mile trip will certainly be an adjustment. LaPuzza does note that "there is no cause for concern" in regards to the sea creatures travels, "as they are protected by the law on the protection of marine mammals."


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When I saw the pictures of alleged Russian "Special Forces" last night, I thought it was a late April Fool!

Have you actually looked at these guys? Most of them are older than I am and have bigger waist lines as well. Special Forces? once again you need to be desperate or an accredited Western Journalist to believe that one.

At best these guys might be Cossack volunteers from Russia, but not regulars of the Federation Armed Forces.
The rest of the story is total Bravo Sierra.
 

MwRYum

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It would be no great revelation if true, but I find the 'evidence' of that story suspect at best.

With such poor resolution images and such a massive beard and cap covering so much of the face, its near impossible to positively ID the bearded men as one and the same.

Using such flimsy criteria, one could 'positively' ID Santa Claus at thousands of shopping malls across the world at the same time around the Christmas holiday period every single year.

The rest of the highlighted faces are even harder to match up for the lack of any distinguishable features.

Look like classic backwards journalism to me, where the story is motivated by the journalists already have a conclusion in mind and were out looking for a 'smoking gun' to prove it rather than looking at evidence objectively to come up with the most likely conclusion.

And for a moment I thought "This is getting more and more Call of Duty day by day"...though "gunman" with GM-94 grenade launcher would narrow down the list of suspects much more than those photos. Pretty much, the Ukraine "government" and the Western powers aren't doing a better jobs then us average Joes. Damn, you lads should demand your tax refund for this fiscal year.
 
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