Lets keep with the here and now please. I see no need to include events from WW2 in this discussion.
2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos
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Jura The idiot
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Why are you asking here? Do you think he's directly involved in the current Ukrainian events?
His picture reminded me of Rasputin heheh
As i have predicted, the accord reached in Geneva is unable to be implemented on the ground since neither side is in full control of the men with the guns. And the finger pointing and the recrimination has begun. They are already accusing Putin of not being serious about the accord that Russia has signed in Geneva.
[video=youtube;bLolVISlPHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLolVISlPHY&list=UUEgvSsB99tT_tCrAazia_hA[/video]
And now there is further escalation with the US said to send ground troops to eastern Europe.
[video=youtube;bLolVISlPHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLolVISlPHY&list=UUEgvSsB99tT_tCrAazia_hA[/video]
And now there is further escalation with the US said to send ground troops to eastern Europe.
More killings overnight at a checkpoint near Sloviansk.
Different versions of events coming from Pro Federalist and Pro Coup sources, with a death toll given of 5 and 1 respectively.
Reading between the lines, it does look as though the Russian strategy re the Geneva agreement is working, with the Far Right sections of the Maidan rebels, starting to feel under pressure to disarm. It follows that this is the start of a repeat of the Egyptian, Libyan and Syrian experience, where a politically acceptable pro western front is used to take power, but later shows itself as nothing but shills for extremists that wield the real power and that the "telegenic" frontmen have very little actual power by themselves.
In this instance it starts to show that the coup installed government in Kiev, not only have little control over their own armed forces to enforce their earlier "anti-terrorist" operation against the Pro-Federalists, but equally lack control over the far right in their own ranks and are unable to ensure that they respect the Easter Truce that Kiev announced yesterday.
Different versions of events coming from Pro Federalist and Pro Coup sources, with a death toll given of 5 and 1 respectively.
Reading between the lines, it does look as though the Russian strategy re the Geneva agreement is working, with the Far Right sections of the Maidan rebels, starting to feel under pressure to disarm. It follows that this is the start of a repeat of the Egyptian, Libyan and Syrian experience, where a politically acceptable pro western front is used to take power, but later shows itself as nothing but shills for extremists that wield the real power and that the "telegenic" frontmen have very little actual power by themselves.
In this instance it starts to show that the coup installed government in Kiev, not only have little control over their own armed forces to enforce their earlier "anti-terrorist" operation against the Pro-Federalists, but equally lack control over the far right in their own ranks and are unable to ensure that they respect the Easter Truce that Kiev announced yesterday.
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Mr T
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The pro-Russian gunmen haven't budged from their buildings, refuse to do so and are now demanding the Kiev government step down - without indicating who they would accept as replacements. They even now claim the May elections are "illegal". So how exactly do they propose to get a "legitimate" government?
My guess is that they don't propose a path to a democratic government because a) they don't believe in democracy and b) their Russian "advisors" haven't told them what to say, because Putin himself doesn't know how to spin an argument for Ukraine to have a legitimate new government without elections.
I would say that Russia's strategy isn't working, because it simply doesn't appear to have one, other than trying to cause/hoping for an incident to justify an invasion.
Jura The idiot
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I don't believe Ukrainians/Russians a ... Sierra ... but I watched this video and there's one thing not mentioned in Western media, look: a driving license of some M. O. Stanislavenko, born on April 19, 1983 in Kiev; the document issued September 29, 2003, also in Kiev. Of course, I don't want to jump to any conclusion, but there are three possibilities I can think of:
1. No such person/document exists.
2. The gentlemen shows up, says where he was last night (which wouldn't be Slavyanks, but ... Bristol ;-) UK), explains how possibly his ID can be in the hands of "activists" in Slavyanks (for example, several years ago, he reported it to be stolen).
3. The gentlemen will never show up.
Am I missing something?
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The current corrupt Kiev regime replaced a democratically elected corrupt regime. We see the character of their "supporters", such as Right Sector. We saw their first act was to downgrade the position of the Russian language ( WWWHHHYYY??? Was nothing more urgent ? ). So how can anyone expect free and fair elections from this lot?
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Mr T
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You mean the former corrupt regime was replaced by a democratically appointed provisional government?
Right Sector forms a tiny minority of the Ukrainian population, whereas a much larger group of people of all ages and backgrounds wanted Yanukovych gone. The new provisional government is certainly more popular than he was.
I think that the provisional government is currently the best chance at getting a free and fair result. They don't appear to be eliminating the competition, and as far as I can see Turchynov isn't even a candidate.
If you disagree, what would you do? Invite back a disgraced former president who ordered the security services to shoot the protesters in Kiev? He wouldn't come back unless half of Ukraine was sent to the gulags - and even then he'd want a Russian Army to keep him in power, because he wouldn't trust the Ukrainian Army, police or judiciary not to turn on him.
What are the other options? A Russian invasion and occupation with a Russian-appointed governor? That would lead to an insurgency and turn Ukraine into anothe Chechnya.
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