2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos
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TerraN_EmpirE
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They have almost no budget either Ukraine is basically Bankrupt.
They have only a small amount of Fuel for there Vehicles, are using equipment that was given to them in the 1990's from stocks left over from the 1970's 1980's. I mean Seriously The Iraqi Army in the Gulf war was in better shape, and what are they facing? Civilians backed by Militias who are being armed by a nation who's military might Dwarfs them. A modernized Russian Army, In far far better shape then the Force that participated in Georgia.
They have only a small amount of Fuel for there Vehicles, are using equipment that was given to them in the 1990's from stocks left over from the 1970's 1980's. I mean Seriously The Iraqi Army in the Gulf war was in better shape, and what are they facing? Civilians backed by Militias who are being armed by a nation who's military might Dwarfs them. A modernized Russian Army, In far far better shape then the Force that participated in Georgia.
Miragedriver
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Thank you TerraN. That’s my point exactly. There will be a disenfranchised minority that will not want to be part of Russia. Maybe even some ethnic Russians that may want to remain as part of the Ukraine. You have to put yourself in their position. Imagine if the part of the nation you live in became part of your neighboring nation’s territory. How would you feel about it?
Imagine (granted these are exaggerations, but it provides a frame of reference):
a) Western Poland being incorporated into Germany
b) Baluchistan portion of Pakistan becoming part of Iran
c) Areas of the southwest USA with a Mexican majority becoming part of Mexico
d) Melilla between Spain and Morocco
e) Kashmir between China, Pakistan and India
f) Golan between Israel and Syria
g) Carlingford Lough between Ireland and UK
h) Gibraltar between UK and Spain
i) Arica between Chile and Peru
j) Etc………I could go on...........................
Imagine (granted these are exaggerations, but it provides a frame of reference):
a) Western Poland being incorporated into Germany
b) Baluchistan portion of Pakistan becoming part of Iran
c) Areas of the southwest USA with a Mexican majority becoming part of Mexico
d) Melilla between Spain and Morocco
e) Kashmir between China, Pakistan and India
f) Golan between Israel and Syria
g) Carlingford Lough between Ireland and UK
h) Gibraltar between UK and Spain
i) Arica between Chile and Peru
j) Etc………I could go on...........................
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I am reminded of a Story of a force of European Peacekeepers in Africa who were literally stripped of there gear arms and vehicles. They even took the Uniforms.
Maybe a better phrase could be "Russia Springing into Action". Interesting to examine the history of this region and have one's own thinking about the current situation. Putin is definitely a strong leader, irrespective of views about him and his arm-twisting methods. Countries need strong leaders, albeit hopefully not brutal ones. Only with an honest, strong and uncorrupt leader with a dedicated team can any country progress. Unfortunately, there are very few around - most of them have their own agendas including promoting their legacies. We find them in several countries: Big, Medium-sized and small ones too.
solarz
Brigadier
I think at this point, talks about a disenfranchised minority is just speculation. What we do know is that when the Kiev government sent in troops to quell the pro-Russian protests, those troops were met and blocked by crowds of angry unarmed civilians.
That pretty much shoots a hole in the argument that the pro-Russian protesters were composed of paid shills or undercover Russian agents. Unless you think Russia managed to insert entire villages into Ukraine.
I'm sure there are people who don't want to join the Russian Federation, but by all appearances, most of those people do not want to remain a part of Ukraine.
Dizasta1
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I'm gonna go off-topic for some corrections to your two points there, namely B & E:
The issue in Pakistan's province of Baluchistan is not related to Iran. Rather, it is the indians, who are operating from 7 so-called diplomatic offices established in Afghanistan, post US invasion of the country. The BLA are identified as terrorists who are being covertly armed and funded via channels of pro-indian offices within Kabul. Karzai/Kabul, dislike Pakistan to the extent that they would cross any foreign-relation threshold, as helping the indians out where need be, to undermine Pakistan's stability. Iran has nothing to do with Baluchistan, to the contrary, they are facing issues with Jhandallah terrorists who've conducted several raids across the Pakistan-Iran border. The only thing Iran wants Pakistan to do is control and subdue this Jhandallah terrorist group.
Kashmir, well this subject has been well documented from the UN to OIC. The people of Kashmir were promised a plebicite, or what is called the freedom to choose whether they want to be a part of Pakistan, india or be independent. Upon the creation of Pakistan, the "Two Nation" concept was adopted on the basis of Muslims for Pakistan and hindus for hindustan. Kashmir is a Muslim majority area which was ruled by a hindu, who in-turn chose to cecede to hindustan (india). This was against the wishes of the people of Kashmir, as they weren't even given a chance to choose. The hindustani army was immediately deployed in Kashmir and then war ensued.
Pakistan took whatever land area it got when fighting a war against hindustan, for the liberation of Kashmir. Areas where China contested with Pakistan's side of Kashmir, was resolved between Pakistan and China, peacefully. And China's claim to Aksai Chin with hindustan, got dealt with war in 1962. This area, I might add, is a desolate wasteland of no economic or social value, other than a strategic one for China. Currently, what hindustan (india) holds is the Vale of Kashmir, Leh and Ladakh. Where the Vale of Kashmir is a Muslim majority area and the people of the Vale predominantly either want to cecede to Pakistan and/or become independent sovereign state.
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Now back to the topic:
What interests me is the land area of Transnistria and the news regarding it, that came out last month!
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TerraN_EmpirE
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Well Kinda Sorta. The truth is always a moderate. Russian Intelligence has been caught feeding money and posting "Guest Roles" Actors paid to play as Pro Russians hero's or to discredit western nations. The Russians have also been caught with some embarrassing moments Where Russian Embeds have let it slip. basically they are operating like US ARMY Green Berets. they move in Identify local groups who are friendly to there ends, Equip and Train them, lead them into actions.
If they want to remain part of Ukraine? Those actively in the protests may not at least of the Ukraine as it is today. If they Want to become part of Russia is also in question. But for sure the State of Ukraine has a long way to go before it can become a real nation. The entire political system needs a Overhaul.
If they want to remain part of Ukraine? Those actively in the protests may not at least of the Ukraine as it is today. If they Want to become part of Russia is also in question. But for sure the State of Ukraine has a long way to go before it can become a real nation. The entire political system needs a Overhaul.
AssassinsMace
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Getting caught or not caught is irrelevant. In my old neighborhood growing up that was the thug mentality to believe if they didn't get caught committing a crime, it meant they weren't guilty. Hawaii was acquired pretty much the same way where non-Hawaiians were shipped in to "out-vote" the indigenous population to become a state.
Yes, Master Delft, we will be praying for your complete and swift recovery, and hoping you know the One True Master, in this lovely Holy Week, as we celebrate the Easter Season!
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