09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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I never compared it to the VPT
In fact, as I wrote multiple times above, we should use generic terms for things like this, and "multipack tube" is probably the best word for it.
09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread
I think all of China's submarines in the past have used fairwater planes. They are less complicated and expensive and are still effective. They don't increase the width of the boat excessively like the Astute's bow design. They don't need retractable, which brings with it complexity like...
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09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread
Understood. Though the term VPT which I used in above posts is from @伏尔戈星图 when referring to those missile modules. Will use multipack VLS from now on. Yeah, it's good practice to use accurate nomenclature -- including when a name shouldn't be generalized. Well, mainly magazine pack...
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In this specific case, they are tripack tubes. Yasen has quadpack tubes (or tripack depending on configuration but I haven't seen definitive evidence that it is intended to carry three tubes in place of its regular four), while the Virginia has six (or seven depending on if it's now or amidships VPM) pack tubes.
What is the diameter of the (tri/quad-) multipack VLS on the Yasen SSNs?
Here you goView attachment 114475
That's the VLS for surface vessels -- is there any indication/proof that the Yasen SSNs use the same exact VLS type as this? Given it is an underwater VLS, and given some of the pictures we have of it, I suspect the Yasens use a custom quadpack tube design.
Isn't this one for surface ships?
Russia has multiple VLS types for surface ships.
The one you posted before is a four cell module for UKSK, here is what it looks like as a model in two four cell modules forming a single eight cell module. Also, in the picture you posted, you can obviously see that each individual missile tube has its own lid with non-hydrodynamic features on top, whereas in a submarine for a quad tube VLS you wouldn't have individual lids but rather a single cover with hydrodynamic shaping.
3S-14E the one in this post I'm replying to, which is also for surface ships.
The Yasen class SSN uses a VLS whose name I do not know, but we have this picture has been associated with the Yasen quad tube VLS before, and it is very different to the UKSK, and given that UKSK is for surface ships, I significantly doubt that the Yasen class has adapted the UKSK for underwater launch.
At best they only have a superficial similarity in the sense that the UKSK VLS has its four missiles be part of a larger tube single tube below decks, but everything else should be entirely different. If you have any evidence to state that the Yasen class actually uses that specific VLS model, I'd be interested to see it, but as it stands, am I correct that you just made a guess based on superficial similarities?
You don't get official confirmations of that kind in Russia in public area, you can easily get jailed nowadays. The best you can get is information from a defence expo.
Militaryrussia is a well informed blog. They call the Yasen VLS to be 3С-14В. The description matches the picture.
Militaryrussia is a well informed blog. They call the Yasen VLS to be 3С-14В. The description matches the picture.
The publicly-available figure on the diameter of the JL-2/As deployed onboard 094/A SSBNs is 2 meters, or 2000 mm.
3x 850mm missile tubes per multipack VLS should be close to the guesstimated dimensions of that 3-big-3-small multipack VLS from earlier as well, which may render it suitable for the 094/094As in case they are to be converted into SSGNs in the future.
I recall that there was a somewhat lengthy discussion in the 093/094 thread early this year based on lyman2003's claim on Weibo about a 1.2-meter diameter VLS on the 093B that could launch AShBMs that can reach targets 1500 nautical miles (2770+ kilometers) away.
If the 1.2-meter VLS is anywhere close to reality, could it be useful for this (bolded) case?
Would be great if the 095s can go the Yasen-way, i.e. multipack VLS arranged in two parallel lines (if the 095s do have multipack VLS). Can save a great deal of length (and thus, displacement) that way.Here you go
Warning: purely speculative
The desire to pack two parallel rows of multi-missile vertical launchers might have what caused PLAN to opt for a large diameter hull, if 12 meter sections we saw are indeed for the 095. If this is the case, we are looking at 18-24 hypersonics per boat. Significant...
Mind you, there are multiple speculations here:
1- The said sections were for the 095
2- There is indeed a tri-pack VLS