09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[Maikeru]

I wonder if the ~12m hull section we saw at Huludao was in fact a missile compartment section for an 094B rather than a hull section for 095. Guess we'll see what comes out first.

 

[BoraTas]

I wonder if the ~12m hull section we saw at Huludao was in fact a missile compartment section for an 094B rather than a hull section for 095. Guess we'll see what comes out first.

Possible but wouldn't that be non-circular?

 

[Maikeru]

Possible but wouldn't that be non-circular?

Not necessarily, if you look at the model it seems the missile tubes extend upwards beyond the pressure hull.

 

[BoraTas]

Not necessarily, if you look at the model it seems the missile tubes extend upwards beyond the pressure hull.

I was mentioning that. Subsections are rarely non-complete. The light hull is built during section fabrication. An old example:

 

[Maikeru]

I don't think any of the sections we saw had the outer light skin attached.

 

[abc123]

Currently, the ultimate security of China isn't based on its SSBNs though, but of it various landbased nukes.

All I wanted to say is that it would be prudent for China that it remains so in the future.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You could always launch through the North Pole which should have a much lower, if any, BMD density. Yes, I know across the Pacific is shorter, but newer Chinese ICBMs should have the range.

Pacific is the worst path, it's always polar.

 

[sunnymaxi]

All I wanted to say is that it would be prudent for China that it remains so in the future.

nope.

China's main deterrence is land based but China is also spending huge money in nuclear submarine program. 12 and 13 Five year plans were significant. PLAN spend Billions of RMB in R&D to break deadlock in submarine technologies. two major expansion in Bohai shipyard just to increase the production rate.

type 094 advance variant currently in production.
type 096 design and technologies have finalized.

i always said one thing. this decade is for Submarine decade. just like previous one belongs to surface ships.

 

[antiterror13]

SSBNs as stated aren't China's ultimate security, there's a reason they can't launch China's newest and best missiles. They're also not able to go into SSGN conversion for that reason. They're essentially a backup that will launch an additional overkill salvo after land based has already finished their job in a MAD scenario.

If US puts a SSN as close as the first island chain, Chinese ASW as well as submarines would track it. And Chinese SSBNs hardly need to venture further than the SCS or the straits in a MAD scenario.

It is very reasonable that the US SSN can also find the PLA SSBN and achieve a mutual kill, given the age of the SSBNs and non-focus on SSBNs. But a crappy 094 traded for a world class Virginia is a favorable one.

The main firing force would be land based and potentially space based. From the SCS, SSBNs can send more nukes into the west coast, but it would just be a formality at that point.

Welll, perhaps traded 094 to Virginia is a favourable one if you only consider the sub itself. But if you consider that 094 has SLBM with multiple many warheads .... I don't think it is favourable at all

 

[Blitzo]

Here it comes, ofc it can also be improved 094.

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I moved this to the 09III/09IV thread, because I think this hull probably represents a 09IV variant (it looks like a 09IVA with a pumpjet tbh).