09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[abc123]

And any US SSN stupid enough to come inside the first island chain would just get tailed and destroyed the moment it tried something. China's nuclear subs, especially the SSBN, are basically tech demonstrators to keep the technology alive, it would be an amazing trade to swap 1 091 or 094 for a Virginia.

Yeah, and what will destroy them? Are you sure that they will suceed in destroying them before they destroy Chinese SSBNs? Are you willing to put ultimate security of China on that bet?

You don't build 8 same technological demonstrators. You build one, test it, then another, improved, test it, then next, improved, test it etc. until you are finally happy with the product. Then you start with serial production.

 

[Michaelsinodef]

Yeah, and what will destroy them? Are you sure that they will suceed in destroying them before they destroy Chinese SSBNs? Are you willing to put ultimate security of China on that bet?

You don't build 8 same technological demonstrators. You build one, test it, then another, improved, test it, then next, improved, test it etc. until you are finally happy with the product. Then you start with serial production.

Currently, the ultimate security of China isn't based on its SSBNs though, but of it various landbased nukes.

 

[tphuang]

Allright, they can't for indefinite period of time, but 2-3 weeks isn't small period. And even if Japanese SSKs can't, USN SSNs can.

Also, if 90% of Chinese submarine fleet are SSKs, what's that saying about survivability of Chinese SSBNs?

2 to 3 weeks, lol? What kind of diesel submarines are you thinking about. Seriously, please just stop about SSKs. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

The kind of amusing things I read on this forum sometimes. Have SSKs tail nuclear submarines for 2 weeks

 

[Kalec]

Here it comes, ofc it can also be improved 094.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Here it comes, ofc it can also be improved 094.

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Yeah, that looks like an 09-IV"B" analogous to the 09-IIIB.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Here it comes, ofc it can also be improved 094.

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Yeah, that looks like an 09-IV"B" analogous to the 09-IIIB.

Also notice the tail section - That looks like a pump jet(!).

 

[Biscuits]

Yeah, and what will destroy them? Are you sure that they will suceed in destroying them before they destroy Chinese SSBNs? Are you willing to put ultimate security of China on that bet?

You don't build 8 same technological demonstrators. You build one, test it, then another, improved, test it, then next, improved, test it etc. until you are finally happy with the product. Then you start with serial production.

SSBNs as stated aren't China's ultimate security, there's a reason they can't launch China's newest and best missiles. They're also not able to go into SSGN conversion for that reason. They're essentially a backup that will launch an additional overkill salvo after land based has already finished their job in a MAD scenario.

If US puts a SSN as close as the first island chain, Chinese ASW as well as submarines would track it. And Chinese SSBNs hardly need to venture further than the SCS or the straits in a MAD scenario.

It is very reasonable that the US SSN can also find the PLA SSBN and achieve a mutual kill, given the age of the SSBNs and non-focus on SSBNs. But a crappy 094 traded for a world class Virginia is a favorable one.

The main firing force would be land based and potentially space based. From the SCS, SSBNs can send more nukes into the west coast, but it would just be a formality at that point.

 

[BoraTas]

2 to 3 weeks, lol? What kind of diesel submarines are you thinking about. Seriously, please just stop about SSKs. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

The kind of amusing things I read on this forum sometimes. Have SSKs tail nuclear submarines for 2 weeks

The only thing an SSBN has to do is going 10 knots and you can be sure there would be no tailing SSKs left after a day.

I think this entire tailing talks are cold war relics. Passive sonar is simply not good at detecting recent subs.

 

[Maikeru]

Also notice the tail section - That looks like a pump jet(!).

My first thought is 094B rather than 096. I'd expect 096 to be much larger with at least 16 SLBM, no hump, single hulled and possibly X-rudders.

 

[sunnymaxi]

My first thought is 094B rather than 096. I'd expect 096 to be much larger with at least 16 SLBM, no hump, single hulled and possibly X-rudders.

above model is Type 094B. latest version of Type 094 SSBN. more stealthier , incorporate latest technologies and Pump jet propulsion. displacement could be more than original type 094. we also heard rumors about type 094 new variant can launch JL-3.

type 096 will be much larger in length and displacement.