09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I see seven missiles in that launcher, with one in the middle. Seven does not divide into 24. So is it 21, or 28?

Also, I would like to see, on any Type 093, precisely where these VLS launchers are...the actual covers for them on the deck of the vessel.

In the cross section drawing it looks like there may be six, which would divide into 24. Perhaps the centre cylinder is only for reinforcement?

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

In the cross section drawing it looks like there may be six, which would divide into 24. Perhaps the centre cylinder is only for reinforcement?

Well, the picture surely looks like a SLCM in the center, very similar to the US Navy set-up shown here:

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I am willing to bet they are modeling it after the US set up, it certainly looks like it. But we have not seen anything like it yet, on any PLAN submarine, much less an 093.

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[Blitzo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I see seven missiles in that launcher, with one in the middle. Seven does not divide into 24. So is it 21, or 28?

Also, I would like to see, on any Type 093, precisely where these VLS launchers are...the actual covers for them on the deck of the vessel.

I think it is More likely that 093 may be using a bunch of "single shot" launchers like the 688i, sea wolf, and early Virginias, and that the multi shot/SLBM converted tube is still under development.

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I think it is More likely that 093 may be using a bunch of "single shot" launchers like the 688i, sea wolf, and early Virginias, and that the multi shot/SLBM converted tube is still under development.

I agree.

I have seen no indication of any hatches like those that you see on the Ohio class with the multiple SLCMs in each on the deck of the Type 093 SSN.

This is what the VPM is going to look like on the later model Virginia. They will have two 6 shot tubes forward, and then four of these VPM amidships in the new extension.

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This will give each of those vessels 40 SLCMs per vessel.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Image error Jeff.

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Image error Jeff.

Oops...got her fixed now.

 

[Blitzo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I agree.

I have seen no indication of any hatches like those that you see on the Ohio class with the multiple SLCMs in each on the deck of the Type 093 SSN.

Well, we haven't got any shots of the supposed new build 093s with VLS at all, and the first two boats don't have VLS in any form.

I was just saying how the new 093s may not have the new seven shot, VPM style tubes, and instead only have single shot tubes instead.

 

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I agree.

I have seen no indication of any hatches like those that you see on the Ohio class with the multiple SLCMs in each on the deck of the Type 093 SSN.

This is what the VPM is going to look like on the later model Virginia. They will have two 6 shot tubes forward, and then four of these VPM amidships in the new extension.

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This will give each of those vessels 40 SLCMs per vessel.

So then that hatch opening mechanism had to be quite reliable as a malfunction would mean a potential maximum of 7 SLCMs out of action.

 

[Blitzo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So then that hatch opening mechanism had to be quite reliable as a malfunction would mean a potential maximum of 7 SLCMs out of action.

I imagine the infinitesimally low risk of a hatch not opening far outweighs the space benefits of stocking more missiles in a given volume.

Remember, the hatch is basically the same as for a normal SLBM launch hatch, which must be very, very reliable given the high priority of allowing your SSBNs to let loose their payloads.

 

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I forgot that it's basically the same hatch as for firing SLBM.