09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[antiterror13]

i don't see how you fit 12 missiles in that little hump if those missiles are suppose to fire off something the size of CJ-10. If 039A to 039B's length do not increase by 12 m, I don't see how you can allocate 12m for storing VLS.

We are talking about SSN 093A/B, not SSK

 

[FORBIN]

I think the "only 3" is thanks to Wikipedia. According to it 093 stop production after the first 2 due to not meeting expectation. But total of 5 were planned. The next 3 were the heavily modified 093G/093B. After that PLAN will change over to 095.

So I think thats where the limit of 3 093G/093B come from. Maybe there is truth to it. Even if the 093G/093B is as good as or better than a LA 688, it will still be behind 688i, project 971U/M, Trafalgar and no comparison to Seawolf, Virginia, Astute, Yasen. So priority going to 095 makes sense.

Right and mainly for noise and sonar.

 

[FORBIN]

We don't know if they've stopped production at three, or if they've actually built more and we've only been able to see three 093Bs in a single satellite photo.

In any case, the fact that they were willing to build at least three in such rapid succession suggests to me the 093B offers some improvements in capability that the Navy is willing to induct a reasonable number for themselves.

One 4th 093B can be out in the same time in trial by ex and also Sat Views with different dates..., the Sat View with 3 prove only exist minimum three 093B...

i don't see how you fit 12 missiles in that little hump if those missiles are suppose to fire off something the size of CJ-10. If 039A to 039B's length do not increase by 12 m, I don't see how you can allocate 12m for storing VLS.

093A/B ofc.
I get 103 m for 093 and ~ 110 m for 093B ? ~ 6800t max vs 7800 t but maybe they wins some space in the initial hull, possible ?

If some can provide more.

 

[tphuang]

I think the "only 3" is thanks to Wikipedia. According to it 093 stop production after the first 2 due to not meeting expectation. But total of 5 were planned. The next 3 were the heavily modified 093G/093B. After that PLAN will change over to 095.

So I think thats where the limit of 3 093G/093B come from. Maybe there is truth to it. Even if the 093G/093B is as good as or better than a LA 688, it will still be behind 688i, project 971U/M, Trafalgar and no comparison to Seawolf, Virginia, Astute, Yasen. So priority going to 095 makes sense.

I believe they ordered 4 093B

We are talking about SSN 093A/B, not SSK

It need a lot of space in the middle of the boat that would be used to hold the VLS installations and also support it. It needs more space to store all the noise insulation gear and sonar equipment to really improve its acoustic level and ability to detect other ships. The motor system would have to support a larger and boat with possibly higher speed requirements. Not sure if the turbine and the reduction gear system would take more space given the higher power requirements. In order to really achieve all of this and adding VLS installations, you have to pick which is more important. Space inside a submarine is finite.

 

[taxiya]

Regarding the number that demonstrate satisfaction by PLAN, I want to remind everyone (I said it before) that we must remember the size of PLAN's fleet is much smaller than USN but somewhere around UK and France, maybe slightly bigger in the future, but nowhere near USN in the foreseeable future.

Every 10 years (roughly) there is new technologies coming online, but a SSN is expansive and serves 30 to 40 years (roughly). If China is to build 10 093s to satisfy some of our definition of satisfaction by PLAN, is China going to stop developing new generation of SSNs for 30 years?

So my definition of the number of satisfaction is probably from 4 to 6, then it is the next generation.

 

[taxiya]

I can not make up my mind regarding the number of VLS missiles. Both the satellite photo and the recent frontal photo are pretty blurry (plus the extreme frontal angle of the recent photo has a great compression effect on the much less protruding and tempered hump) to reveal the real length of the hump (therefor the number). I think we have to wait and see.

 

[A.Man]

A Showdown is coming:

 

[Blitzo]

A Showdown is coming:

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first picture is an obvious PS

 

[Hyperwarp]

From xinhui @ CDF: 093 SSN-409 -

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Is this a 093A? Sail is not the same same 093 or 093B.

 

[Hyperwarp]

And yes as jobless person, I do sketches like this all day

I got rough values from wiki. 100m for 091 and 110m 093 in length. 093B and 095 pure speculation. From satellite photo I believe 093B is longer that 093. For 095 I used Yasen's 120m as a base.