09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Hyperwarp

Captain
recent talk about the new 09x sub carrying the DF21D and DF26 onboard.

I doubt any 093/095 can ever think of carrying something in the size of DF-21D/DF-26. You'll need a 092/094 for that. Since the JL-1 is basically the early DF-21 I guess In theory 094 could carry them but the 094 is designed to carry the JL-2. Therefore they need a modified tube to house DF-21D/DF-26, which sounds wasteful since the 094 is a nuclear 2nd-strike deterrence machine and not an anti-ship machine.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
As long as someone else has nukes, no one would want to deploy AShBMs on SSBNs, since:
A) the other side won't know what warhead your missiles are carrying until impact, and there is a chance they won't wait to find out for sure before launching their nukes in reply.
B) by placing tactical weapons on strategic platforms, you are making those strategic platforms a legitimate target for enemies.

Normally, with a limited war, there will almost certainly be red lines drawn in the sand, as it were, by both sides with tacit agreement to not engage certain targets. SSBNs would almost certainly be top of that 'untouchable' list.

But that won't hold true if one side puts tactical weapons on their SSBNs and starts shooting them off in combat.

When the other side start engaging your SSBNs in a systematic way to counter AShBMs, they are also taking out your second strike capability and so now you are wondering if they are planning to escalate to full nuclear war and are laying the groundwork for that. So that means you are faced with the 'use 'em or loose 'em' dilemma.

Suffice to say, putting AShBMs on SSBNs, much like the proposed U.S. Prompt Global strike missiles, are as big a liability as they are an asset, and in all likelihood will be effectively unuseable against another nuclear power because of the unacceptable risks it will inadvertently kick off an all out nuclear exchange.

Such weapons can only be used to bully non-nuclear states, but that has never been high on China's military modernisation priority list.
 

by78

General
Here, full-resolution... No need to crop or resize. Note the side bulge(s), possibly enclosing sensor arrays. Just behind the sail, you see a large bulge, possibly housing a VLS.

(2378 x 1750)
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Hyperwarp

Captain
Yup, prominent changes from the 093 are:

* The sail. Looks like Seawolf/Virginia but with hydroplanes
* Sonar or other sensors on the sides
* VLS bulge for CJ-10. I think YJ-18 can be launched from the torp tybes

Wonder whether there are any changes to the propeller? Is there are pump-jet?

Whats the exact designation? 093G or 093B? Is it like 039 to 039G or Song 039 to Yuan 039A? o_O
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Mainly confirm three 094 are based to Yalong Bay and surely the 4 in service.
 
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