09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[hkvaryag]

Dock expansions? Or just for opsec?

Imo SSKs (or even the small SSN) have a prominent role to play, especially in Asia.

 

[Kejora]

That floating dock always help to transfer the submarine of 武船 to Jiangnan shipyard in Shanghai for further install of equipment, or directly to naval base in Shanghai for sea trial.

I think the implication is instead of sinking the submarine is simply transported to other yard by the floating dock and the crane ships are there to salvage something else, probably equipment that fell overboard when loading the submarine to floating dock.

 

[Index]

I think the implication is instead of sinking the submarine is simply transported to other yard by the floating dock and the crane ships are there to salvage something else, probably equipment that fell overboard when loading the submarine to floating dock.

I don't think subs can safely drive in Yangtze submerged. It's filled with sediment from upstream. Even if the new SSK size sub was sufficiently finished to drive around on its own power, it makes more sense to transfer it downstream by a floating dock.

Has satellite imaging ever caught the precise moment a SSK was transferred downstream before?

 

[tphuang]

I'm not sure what you mean by the pier being unscathed, however we can see in the picture with the various cranes that the pier is in a different position (moved/floated closer to the shore) compared to earlier pictures.

See the relevant pier in line with the other two piers here:

See the pier moved closer to shore in the June picture with the cranes here

I agree that something like that is more plausible, however objectively the pictures we have so far are unable to give us any direction -- based on the pictures, there is no way to honestly state whether there was a major accident like a sinking, or something kind of minor accident with the submarine moved elsewhere, or no accident at all.

Seriously, the entire discussion would be easier for everyone if there was consensus agreement that the pictures don't show anything and that nothing can be concluded or ruled out.

what does moving pier closer to the shore have anything to do with whether or not it is damaged?

If you look at the before and after photos. The before has a floating section on the other side of submarine. The after photo also has a section there, although with different color containers.


See hkvaryag's photos for the after. It's right above the shadow of crane. Not clear to me what that is. It appears to me they moved the pier to get the submarine out. I don't know enough about shipyard construction to figure out what are the new containers that appeared next to the shadow of the crane.

 

[hkvaryag]

I don't think subs can safely drive in Yangtze submerged. It's filled with sediment from upstream. Even if the new SSK size sub was sufficiently finished to drive around on its own power, it makes more sense to transfer it downstream by a floating dock.

Has satellite imaging ever caught the precise moment a SSK was transferred downstream before?

Planet Science should have lots of photos, but you need to pay

 

[hkvaryag]

what does moving pier closer to the shore have anything to do with whether or not it is damaged?

If you look at the before and after photos. The before has a floating section on the other side of submarine. The after photo also has a section there, although with different color containers.
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See hkvaryag's photos for the after. It's right above the shadow of crane. Not clear to me what that is. It appears to me they moved the pier to get the submarine out. I don't know enough about shipyard construction to figure out what are the new containers that appeared next to the shadow of the crane.

what does moving pier closer to the shore have anything to do with whether or not it is damaged?

If you look at the before and after photos. The before has a floating section on the other side of submarine. The after photo also has a section there, although with different color containers.
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See hkvaryag's photos for the after. It's right above the shadow of crane. Not clear to me what that is. It appears to me they moved the pier to get the submarine out. I don't know enough about shipyard construction to figure out what are the new containers that appeared next to the shadow of the crane.

I have seen a very blur satellite photo of Sentinel-1 on 20/6, the cranes were gone but surprisingly the 2nd pier was also pushed towards the shore.

 

[tphuang]

I have seen a very blur satellite photo of Sentinel-1 on 20/6, the cranes were gone but surprisingly the 2nd pier was also pushed towards the shore.

so, that seems like a very logical solution of dredging up that entire area to allow large subs to be built more easily.

 

[broadsword]

I see no reason why the US would not back up with photos to prove the sinking if they have them, or sources it could attribute to as reliable. It would be an opportunity to restore their credibility after the balloon farce. It has not even professed their confidence in their assessment.

 

[Blitzo]

what does moving pier closer to the shore have anything to do with whether or not it is damaged?

Moving the pier closer to shore doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the pier being damaged, however you you suggesting based off satellite imagery that it was "unscathed".
I'm observing that technically the pier was repositioned closer to shore and we cannot tell if that was due to possible damage or not -- aka reasserting that from the pictures we have, that we cannot tell what, if anything occurred or didn't occur.

If you look at the before and after photos. The before has a floating section on the other side of submarine. The after photo also has a section there, although with different color containers.
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See hkvaryag's photos for the after. It's right above the shadow of crane. Not clear to me what that is. It appears to me they moved the pier to get the submarine out. I don't know enough about shipyard construction to figure out what are the new containers that appeared next to the shadow of the crane.

My overall point is that the pictures are not a useful basis to rule in or rule out anything occurring.

 

[tphuang]

This is photo from June 15th. Looks like the other side's floating section is still there and got another floating section with red, white and blue containers to the right.
I just don't see any sign of a major accident here.