09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[para80]

The AUKUS terms of non-proliferation also make Australia to rely on UK and USA in order to operate their boats.

Sure. Its somewhat apples and oranges as the two schemes have significant differences (the AU one expands autonomous ops considerably as of current plans, the Indian was very static to this day). The original point though addressed the full on transfer of SSN. Which from the Russian POV hasnt really happened. Anyway, this is arguably a little OT here.

 

[snake65]

I would rather consider oranges and grapefruits, as the main point is giving access to nuclear submarines to a country which doesn't have their own. Indian Arihant is another option how to do it.

 

[grulle]

Don't know who is been editing the Chinese wiki, but here it shows 4 093B in sea trials and 2 fitting out. It is not one of you guys is it? lol.

 

[Index]

Russia has never sold Akula to anyone. They leased one to India and are mulling leasing another one. However Indian capacity to operate them remains very limited and relies to drastic degrees on Russian support.

They let a bunch of Indians run around freely on it, same Indians that are selling shells to Ukraine.

If China needed improved Akulas they would have them. But these are not competitive anymore relative to the boats PLAN has.

 

[grulle]

From the rate they are building the 093B, what would you guys think is the time it takes to build one? for comparison, it takes 6 YEARS to build a Virginia. If China can build a 093B in TWO years the PLAN submarine force will expand much faster than the US. Not to mention the quality is very competitive.

 

[aahyan]

From the rate they are building the 093B, what would you guys think is the time it takes to build one? for comparison, it takes 6 YEARS to build a Virginia. If China can build a 093B in TWO years the PLAN submarine force will expand much faster than the US. Not to mention the quality is very competitive.

Further to add that, seems they're building in pairs simultaneously if not more....

 

[gelgoog]

China is currently launching 2-3 nuclear attack submarines a year into the water. This is faster than the US is building Virginia submarines.

 

[grulle]

there was a major construction hall built in 2016 at Huludao, some say it can build 4 subs at once. then a few years later another construction hall was built, similar in size. This one maybe 4 as well? so in total the Huludao facility can build at least 6 subs at a time, at most 8? jesus christ lol.

 

[Maikeru]

One thing I find interesting is the low level of interest by western defense media in these developments. You'd think that, with PLAN having ~doubled its SSN fleet by launching at least 5, probably 6, of a new, more capable class of SS(G)N in just over 2 years, (i.e. a production rate approaching 3 a year, somewhat higher than USN currently manages), there'd be a lot more interest. But apart from a couple of low profile reports on the first 2, nothing, nada in the western press.

What gives?

 

[Wrought]

One thing I find interesting is the low level of interest by western defense media in these developments. You'd think that, with PLAN having ~doubled its SSN fleet by launching at least 5, probably 6, of a new, more capable class of SS(G)N in just over 2 years, (i.e. a production rate approaching 3 a year, somewhat higher than USN currently manages), there'd be a lot more interest. But apart from a couple of low profile reports on the first 2, nothing, nada in the western press.

What gives?

Seems like the natural result of a military which says nothing + submarines being less visible platforms. Satellite imagery lets you point at carriers and say STOBAR or CATOBAR, and count VLS cells for surface combatants. Fitting out, sea trials, etc, are all conducted out in the open. But what can you do about underwater platforms built inside covered halls?

There's just not much to talk about unless you have good connections with the rumour mill.