09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[asif iqbal]

Is this old photo or new one?

1 x SSBN
3 x SSN

 

[Ultra]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

But it is also right because the Type 094 is also very much limited by the US lead and capabilities should they try and obtain their full effectiveness by getting out into the blue water where they could hit most of the US. The Admiral correctly points out that at this point, if they try that, they are going to be tagged, tailed, and shadowed by wolves of the deep that can destroy them.

That is what the article and the Admiral are referring to. So their effectiveness has been significantly limited.

The only way the Chinese will overcome this is to:

1) Design longer range missiles to shoot from their subs so they can make their bastion the China Sea, or as Chuck suggested, some large inlet off of it where they can threaten the entire US.

2) Design better subs that are quiet enough to give them the chance of evading the US technological lead and get to the blue water.

Clearly, the PLAN understands this. They are not serial building the Type 094s...they are already building the Type 096 subs in an effort to do that very thing, which lends credence to what the admiral is saying.

They don't have to Jeff. The thing is - PLAN only needs to build more cheap attack submarines to escort and hunt for US attack subs - why you ask? Because PLAN has the

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[tphuang]

They don't have to Jeff. The thing is - PLAN only needs to build more cheap attack submarines to escort and hunt for US attack subs - why you ask? Because PLAN has the

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shkval is very noisy and have limited effective range at that high speed. PLAN has spent a lot of resources developing next generational heavy weight torpedoes to combat US attack subs. But in the end, they still need to get within certain range of USN SSN and detect them. I have a blog entry on this recent specifcally on this torpedo issue.

 

[Ultra]

shkval is very noisy and have limited effective range at that high speed. PLAN has spent a lot of resources developing next generational heavy weight torpedoes to combat US attack subs. But in the end, they still need to get within certain range of USN SSN and detect them. I have a blog entry on this recent specifcally on this torpedo issue.

Oh, you have a blog? What's the url of your blog?
And I agree, Shkval is very noisy, BUT at that speed most submarine that's been detected would not be able to outrun it.

 

[asif iqbal]

Shkval is a deadly missile not doubt, it's so fast that it became standard procedures of USN SSN if they detected torpedo doors opening of any Soviet submarine there action was to launch torpedo at the submarine because once the Shkval is out it's would be impossible to evade

It is also a conspiracy theory that explains the sinking of the Kursk, a SSN of USN detected the opening of the torpedo doors on the Kursk and engaged straight away because it was carrying the Shkval

 

[Jeff Head]

shkval is very noisy and have limited effective range at that high speed. PLAN has spent a lot of resources developing next generational heavy weight torpedoes to combat US attack subs. But in the end, they still need to get within certain range of USN SSN and detect them.

Not only is it very noisy, but it is also very dangerous to the launching submarine. They are very volatile.

As you say, the range is also very limited.

Believe, me, I did a lot of research and study of supercavitating weapons (both as offensive weapons and as defensive weapons).

The shkval represents a very early and not very effective supercavitiating weapon development.

Later US nuclear subs (particularly the Flight III LA Class - the 688i, Sea Wolfs and Virginia's) are going to detect the adversary subs that carry it (outside of Akulas and the newest Russian SSN, Yasen - which I do not believe carrier the shkval) and prosecute them before they are likely to even locate the US sub.

 

[plawolf]

shkval is very noisy and have limited effective range at that high speed. PLAN has spent a lot of resources developing next generational heavy weight torpedoes to combat US attack subs. But in the end, they still need to get within certain range of USN SSN and detect them. I have a blog entry on this recent specifcally on this torpedo issue.

To be fair, I don't think Shkval was primarily designed or attack other subs.

That beast was designed to kill carrier and escorts.

 

[SpicySichuan]

Is this old photo or new one?

1 x SSBN
3 x SSN

Correct me if I were wrong, but the second to the top sub looks more like a boomer (with 12 launch SLBM tubes) than a SSN, so one SSN for each boomer.

 

[Equation]

Correct me if I were wrong, but the second to the top sub looks more like a boomer (with 12 launch SLBM tubes) than a SSN, so one SSN for each boomer.

Could be, but compare that second to the boomer at the bottom of the picture. There's a difference in size.

 

[SpicySichuan]

Could be, but compare that second to the boomer at the bottom of the picture. There's a difference in size.

Satellite imaging?