09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

ansy1968

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dont we have rumours regarding Pumpjet technology, maybe even a confirmation?


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Mind you that this is from 2017. And there have also been rumours about IEPS on the new submarines

While I would say that the submarine construction program has been abysmal relative to the surface program (excluding the new massive sub construction base), the technology development seems on point and even accelerating with some cutting edge tech introduced.
@voyager1 bro that article is co-written by our esteem member @Skywatcher.
 

Tam

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A doubt

Why has China not made any foray yet into Pumpjet technology? Why do they lag in Submarine development in General.
I don't intend to rant here but I must say I'm not so impressed with the pace theyve set so far regarding Submarines. Even if one can't see a quantum leap with regards to acoustic signatures, one would've expected foray into things like Pumpjets already. It ought to be a low hanging fruit considering China's current capabilities.

What one wouldn't give to see a Chinese breakthrough akin to the Seawolf of the USN. It'd be of more significance than a 003 Nuclear Flat carrier.

Pump jets are commonly used with certain kinds of commercial ships that require high maneuverability, shallow draft and waters. Ferries and cruise ships plying the Yangtze would likely use them.


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One issue is that they are not as efficient as bare propellers in turning rotating power into linear thrust as bare propellers. When it comes to efficiency, its propellers > skewed propellers > ducted propellers or pump jets, while the order of noise generation and cavitation is the other way around.

This is an obvious reason why diesel electrics do not use pump jets. The Russians tried that with a Kilo and the results were unsatisfactory.

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As for why the Chinese SSNs have not used this technology? Its obvious from here that the Chinese nuclear submarines do not have the power that the USN subs have, at least the ones that you have now, which are based on an aging platform. If they had incorporated pump jets, it would be at the sacrifice of other aspects in the sub's performance.

Its akin to like the early J-20 that do not have thrust vectors because of the lower power in the engines and the loss of thrust efficiency of the vectors, until later J-20s have more powerful engines.

Until Chinese subs gets a better power density off their nuclear reactor and steam turbines, only then you will see the pump jets.
 
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by78

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A few nice screen grabs from a TV segment + re-posting some lost images.

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voyager1

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At the opening shot of the video, 0:00, you can see that there are 6 more subs at the background. It seems they are 2 different types of subs there, 3 of one, and 3 of another
 
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