09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[jobjed]

Do you believe 093B was sailing with speed 30 knots for 5 days continuously?

In the open ocean? Yes, that's what nuclear submarines do. Nuclear submarines sail fast simply because they can, and they can because they have infinite fuel.

Alternatively, it's possible the sub loitered around the Ryuku island chain for a few days to get a feel of JMSDF operations tempos. If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if the JMSDF were tracking the sub for as long as it was within proximity to the Ryukus. But I also would expect the captain to know he's in vulnerable shallow waters heavily patrolled and monitored by an adversary nation so it's important to not reveal wartime acoustics signatures while he's in that zone.

The sub 093B could not run away from JMSDF's destroyer Onami. Onami's max speed may be about 30 knots. Perhaps, 093B's max speed may be slower than 30 knots.

The chances of a destroyer stumbling upon a submarine in the middle of the Pacific Ocean are a few million to one. There is no way the JMSDF were tracking the 09III until the captain made the conscious decision to sail within close proximity of the Ryuku island chain.

 

[SARB033]

in the middle of the Pacific Ocean

no, no. JMSDF's destroyer Onami started continuous hot pursuit when 093B was inside Senkaku's contiguous zone. After continuously chased for nearly 24 hours, the sub 093B surfaced, probably forced or unwillingly, not voluntarily. the sub 093B could not run away in East China Sea.

 

[jobjed]

24 hours

Make up your goddamn mind. Five days or 24 hours?????

If you're gonna make stuff up, make it consistent at the very least.

 

[ougoah]

SARB033 what do you think the PLAN submarine was trying to achieve with this whole fiasco?

 

[SARB033]

Make up your goddamn mind. Five days or 24 h

the sub 093B was continuously monitored its exact location at least for 5 days, possibly longer.
Hot pursuit was nearly 24 hours or more.

 

[SARB033]

SARB033 what do you think the PLAN submarine was trying to achieve with this whole fiasco?

I think,
(1.) PLAN didn't expect the sub 093B would be detected. and,
(2.) PLAN wanted to confirm that the sub 093B was stealth enough against submarine detection capability of US, Japan and Taiwan.

 

[jobjed]

the sub 093B was continuously monitored its exact location at least for 5 days, possibly longer.
Hot pursuit was nearly 24 hours or more.

There you have it. The sub captain stayed in the same place for five days to monitor JMSDF activity and collect as much intel as possible. Judging from the numerous assets dispatched by the JMSDF to keep tabs on it, I'd say it got plenty of intel on a large variety of JMSDF assets including shipboard sonar systems, ship organic helicopter sonars, and fixed-wing MPA.

Also, a 24 hour pursuit at high speed (30+ knots) means a distance travelled of 1400+ km, which is enough for the sub to not only reach Shanghai but sail another 800km up the Yangtze River from Diaoyu Islands. In other words, the 24 hour pursuit story is horseshit. At the sorts of speeds a destroyer and nuclear submarine can sail, the "pursuit" will be over within hours as the 09III sails within 12nm territorial waters of the Chinese mainland.

 

[ougoah]

I think,
(1.) PLAN didn't expect the sub 093B would be detected. and,
(2.) PLAN wanted to confirm that the sub 093B was stealth enough against submarine detection capability of US, Japan and Taiwan.

There's a problem here. Well, unless the Chinese commanders are very stupid.

Why on Earth would they conduct this experiment? Do you not realise there is everything to lose and nothing to gain from such a move? Therefore both 1 and 2 are impossible UNLESS the Chinese are stupid. What do you think?

 

[SARB033]

There you have it. The sub captain stayed in the same place for five days to monitor JMSDF activity and collect as much intel as possible.

source?

 

[SARB033]

at high speed (30+ knots)

there is possibility that 093B's speed was significantly slower than 30 knots.