09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[SARB033]

China doesn't have to spend huge money to improve design, because she has already done it, with new design sub the Type 095.

The Chinese Virginia submarine(095) mass production if not started last year, it will definitely start this year.

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-095-096-nuclear-submarine-thread.t8228/

This analysis

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does not mention type 095.
Why?

 

[Orthan]

A former JMSDF officer Yoji Koda (香田洋二 ) gave his comment to a Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun, " (the fact that the sub was continuously monitored and chased by JMSDF) gave strong shock to Chinese Navy".

"shock" ? everyone knows that type 093 is too noisy. China uses it because it has nothing better. That why they are developing type 095.

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does not mention type 095.
Why?

Perhabs because type 095 still hasnt been launched, let alone entered service, IMO.

 

[antiterror13]

Perhaps, Japanese government decided to let China know its brand new sub type 093B is already obsolete, and to give humiliation to China. This could be a reasonable decision as a Cost-Imposing Strategy. China was forced to spend huge budget to improve its submarines.

If it was Virginia sub, do you think JMSDF wouldn't detect it if it sailed that close?

 

[SARB033]

Bonji Ohara, former helicopter pilot of JMSDF, now a researcher of Chinese military, pointed out, during the sub 093B was chased by JMSDF's destroyer and anti-sub helicopter, (1.) the sub 093B didn't take evasive action, and (2.) the sub took the shortest straight route toward home port.
Why?

 

[latenlazy]

For the question, why the sub 093B sailed so close to the islands,

one reason may be, perhaps, PLAN had strong confidence that the sub 093B would not be detected.

A former JMSDF officer Yoji Koda (香田洋二 ) gave his comment to a Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun, " (the fact that the sub was continuously monitored and chased by JMSDF) gave strong shock to Chinese Navy".

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Not how it works buddy. Even a state of the art Virginia class wouldn’t expect to stay stealthy around land features, especially if those land features also have underwater sensors around them. We really don’t know the conditions of detection here, so let’s not overspeculate.

 

[jobjed]

Well, ADM Yoji Koda was JMSDF's CiC from 2007 till 2008. Any info coming from his mouth or hand >>>>> than any of your post or muppets from all the other forums in the Internet (including Chinese).

I don't doubt he has the influence to ask for the latest info from JMSDF HQ. What I doubt is the JMSDF having even an inkling of intel on what the PLAN is thinking. Yoji cannot know what the PLAN is thinking because the entirety of Japan, which isn't much TBH since you guys are so 小, doesn't know.

In all likelihood, the PLAN commanders are laughing their asses off at the JMSDF revealing the frequencies and capabilities of their bow sonars, towed sonars, dipping sonar, sonobuoys and MAD, and in disbelief at how much crucial wartime intel 小 nippon is willing to expose for a 小 publicity "victory."

It's a fact that it was aimed to humiliate PLAN and winning without having resorting to swords. Japanese are smart enough to do that all the time in the recent years, let it be PLAN or Chinese Coastguard. What happened there was true, there's not much to add after reading what was written in the newspapers.

I like how you think the dispatch of two vessels in the PLAN inventory with the latest and best PASSIVE sonar arrays -- hint: they LISTEN to acoustic signals -- makes you think little Nippon "won." No, genius, they just lost the edge in ASW confrontations because now the PLAN knows what the best JMSDF capabilities are while the JMSDF, in return, got the acoustic signature of a not-so-impressive sub that may or may not have been intentionally inflating its acoustic signature.

Everyone has got his own head. But if someone is trying to show that as 'typical Japanese' (yeah, they sent Chinese submarine near Senkakus, sure) or trying hard to find any reason for Chinese doing that if they thought they will be emberassed from the start using some sort of twisted logic is not worth reading. Period.

That's precious coming from a 小國 known for sick and twisted cultural phenomena so renowned that "

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" is now a meme.

And it is very typical of your kind, the 小 people from a 小 country with a 大 psychological complex, to desperately try to find every and any theory possible to claim a "victory." *Reveals capabilities of entire sonar inventory* "Nah bro, we won cos we detected a submarine that was known to be pretty loud. Allowing them to gather an astronomical amount of ELINT doesn't really matter cos we got to shittalk them to the media."

However, I know you must be upset that at the end of the day, you're on a leash held by a country on the other side of the world, the one that reduced the number of Japanese cities from 'x' to 'x - 2.' THAT'S how 小 you are; you're on a leash. You know what else is leashed?

 

[manqiangrexue]

perhaps, type 095 hype may be a pure propaganda.

Oh, yeah, perhaps... all the militaries in the world are an illusion. Maybe neither the US nor Russia actually has nukes; they just have empty cans for propaganda. Perhaps... nobody is working on rail-guns or lasers; that is propaganda. Maybe... there is no such thing as stealth fighters; each country just pretends that their fighters are stealthy. Many perhaps...

Bonji Ohara, former helicopter pilot of JMSDF, now a researcher of Chinese military, pointed out, during the sub 093B was chased by JMSDF's destroyer and anti-sub helicopter, (1.) the sub 093B didn't take evasive action, and (2.) the sub took the shortest straight route toward home port.
Why?

Because they didn't want to show the Japanese what their evasive actions plans looked like? They didn't want to show Japan what it's really like to try to track a Chinese sub attempting to remain stealthy so they sailed in waters that could not hide the Chinese sub like the deep oceans could and they sailed in a way that was easy to track (no evasion attempts). You can't figure out someone's fighting style if he just stands there and walks around.

Well, ADM Yoji Koda was JMSDF's CiC from 2007 till 2008. Any info coming from his mouth or hand >>>>> than any of your post or muppets from all the other forums in the Internet (including Chinese). It's a fact that it was aimed to humiliate PLAN and winning without having resorting to swords. Japanese are smart enough to do that all the time in the recent years, let it be PLAN or Chinese Coastguard. What happened there was true, there's not much to add after reading what was written in the newspapers. Everyone has got his own head. But if someone is trying to show that as 'typical Japanese' (yeah, they sent Chinese submarine near Senkakus, sure) or trying hard to find any reason for Chinese doing that if they thought they will be emberassed from the start using some sort of twisted logic is not worth reading. Period.

Oh, Janiz. Normally, an official statement is believable but since Japan is known to report things as large as entire wars inaccurately, its hard to believe any statements from Japan. Besides, it's not like Japan could humiliate or embarrass any country seeing as how it's been militarily occupied by its conqueror for the better part of a century. How could anyone have any feelings other than pity for Japan?

 

[Deino]

Guys ... please calm down and leave all provocative comments be that either personnel rants or country bashing!

That also includes asking "stupid" or in fact provocative questions only to start a flame war.

I just deleted a whole bunch of off-topic posts ... not sure if I got them all.

Best,
Deino

 

[SARB033]

According to Japan's Defense Ministry, the sub 093B entered Senkaku's contiguous zone on a.m. of Jan 11, exited the contiguous zone on p.m. of Jan 11, surfaced on p.m. of Jan 12 in East China Sea.

Why did commander of 093B decide to surface?

 

[azesus]

According to Japan's Defense Ministry, the sub 093B entered Senkaku's contiguous zone on a.m. of Jan 11, exited the contiguous zone on p.m. of Jan 11, surfaced on p.m. of Jan 12 in East China Sea.

Why did commander of 093B decide to surface?

Like an Alpha Wolf to piss and mark his territory and claim others as his bitches, like gang members graffiti mark turf of control. To show a statement that he will be patrolling that area so the JSDF's submarine will have to watch their back when going there