09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Blitzo

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Let get the record straight we have discussion about the future of China submarine based on Dr Ma interview .
Some of us suggest that it will be advanced submarine featuring IEPS and maybe even rim driven propeller and or pump jet technology

But you exclude this completely by saying Dr Ma only talk about IEPS and nothing else . So in another word water jet technology with rim driven propeller is out of the picture
Then blitzo come with an article implying that all those talk about rim riven is pure speculation.

Now you and blitzo backtrack from this position I don't have problem with that
But my advice is "don't count the chicken before it hatch"
We don't know because China is not transparent when it come to technology

Hendrik.

You are correct. I am saying that Admiral Ma only talked about IEPS and nothing else.

And yes, it means that rimless driven pumpjet, and pumpjets in general is not something that he said.

I wanted to make it clear that all the speculation about rimless pumpjets being on 09V is unsupported from Admiral Ma's words.



However -- I am not saying that there is 0% chance of a pumpjet or a rimless pumpjet being on 09V. I personally think it is very likely that 09V will have a conventional shaft driven pumpjet.


What I am saying is merely that people trying to use the documentary and Admiral Ma's words to argue that 09V will have a rimless pumpjet are very incorrect. Everything else is secondary in importance.
 

tidalwave

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Alleged Type 095
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Oh yeah?
so, they ready to roll with that? How long do we have to wait to see it in action? within this year or what?
 

Hendrik_2000

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Here is some tidbit about ex chinese researcher who went back to China and now designed software to predict the hydrodynamic noise using finite element I believe the Swedish firm Kockum already have this kind of software. Using this software they can fine tune the design of the hull to reduce noise

Submarines

Many scientists from Los Alamos have returned to Chinese universities and research institutes that people have dubbed them the “Los Alamos club”.

A recent breakthrough allowed them to predict the turbulence generated by a submarine more quickly and accurately. The technology will allow China to build quieter submarines and better detect foreign ones.

By 2020, China should have 70-80 modern submarines
Here is the full article

While the numbers remain unknown, so many scientists from Los Alamos have returned to Chinese universities and research institutes that people have dubbed them the “Los Alamos club”.

The Los Alamos laboratory, home to a wide range of defence research facilities, including a supercomputer and particle accelerator used for weapons research, has hired many foreign scientists to compensate for a shortage of American science and engineering talent. Its website says more than 4 per cent of its nearly 10,000 employees are of Asian origin....

One scientist who returned from Los Alamos was Professor Chen Shiyi, who as director of the State Key Laboratory for Turbulence and Complex Systems at Peking University played a key role in the development of China’s hypersonic glide vehicle, a researcher at the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Beijing told the Post....

...Dr He Guowei, a researcher with CAS’s Institute of Mechanics, left Los Alamos shortly after Chen. Also a turbulence scientist, his team is now developing computer models for submarine development, according to the institute’s website.
A recent breakthrough allowed them to predict the turbulence generated by a submarine more quickly and accurately. The technology will allow China to build quieter submarines and better detect foreign ones.
He declined to talk about his work at Los Alamos, saying: “It was long time ago. What I knew is no longer relevant.”42
 

Hendrik_2000

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This news and the recent modification on type 32 sub sail reinforce the rumor that JL3 testing is imminent. From Henri K. I expect JL3 will be longer range, and MIRV

CASIC seems to have led in June a ground engine test, from the new generation SLBM JL-3, with a new formula of solid propellant.

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Hendrik_2000

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From Global times not the best source on Chinese military But here it is.
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Did the official press release from CSIS mention this
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation ( CSIC ) has delivered a "New Type" of nuclear submarine" to PLAN, then it could possibly be "095"? Of course it is not Type 96 because they normally built the attack version first before they built the nuclear missile version.


PLA Navy gets new nuclear submarine
By Yang Sheng and Qu Qiuyan Source:Global Times Published: 2017/9/20 23:18:39
Can provide ‘a second strike’ to a country in nuclear warfare: expert
A new nuclear submarine has been turned over to the People's Liberation Army Navy, one of the largest State-owned naval shipbuilding enterprises revealed on Tuesday, but experts believe that this submarine is not the most advanced Type 096, which is China's next generation strategic nuclear submarine.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), which also manufactures China's aircraft carrier, posted the information on its WeChat account Tuesday in an article reviewing its achievements since the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) in 2012.

"The past five years since the 18th National Congress of the CPC has been an extraordinary period for the CSIC, with the handover of China's first aircraft carrier Liaoning to the PLA Navy, the launch of the first homegrown aircraft carrier, the completion of the new nuclear submarine and the deep-sea-exploration submersible Jiaolong…"the article said.

However, the article did not reveal the submarine's name and type. But some Net users and military enthusiasts speculated the submarine is Type 096, China's most advanced nuclear submarine, and the successor of the current Type 094, which first appeared on China Central Television in 2013.

The submarine the CSIC mentioned could be Type 094 or Type 093, but not the next generation nuclear-powered ballistic submarine Type 096, since Type 096 is too advanced and not to be completed soon, Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the PLA Rocket Force, told the Global Times.

The strategic nuclear submarine, also called a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, is capable of launching nuclear warheads from the sea, and can provide "a second strike" to a country in nuclear warfare.

That means when the enemy has completely destroyed land-based launch positions, the submarines take over.

The 2017 Annual Report to the US Congress on China's military power by the US Defense Department claims that China's next-generation nuclear submarine, Type 096, will likely begin construction in the early 2020s, and will reportedly be armed with the JL-3, a submarine-based ballistic missile.

"Pentagon's prediction about Type 096 could be correct to some extent, but the submarine could be completed ahead of schedule. The submarine is a key weapon to the country's nuclear warfare capability. Only the US and Russia have the real 'nuclear triad' (consisting of ballistic missiles, strategic nuclear submarines and strategic bombers), but sooner or later, China will have it as well," said Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert.

The US report also predicts that in the next decade, China will probably develop a new variant of the SHANG class (NATO code) Type 093B, which would not only improve the PLA's anti-surface warfare capability but also provide it with a more clandestine land-attack option.



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Figaro

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From Global times not the best source on Chinese military But here it is.

Did the official press release from CSIS mention this
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation ( CSIC ) has delivered a "New Type" of nuclear submarine" to PLAN, then it could possibly be "095"?

PLA Navy gets new nuclear submarine
By Yang Sheng and Qu Qiuyan Source:Global Times Published: 2017/9/20 23:18:39
Can provide ‘a second strike’ to a country in nuclear warfare: expert
A new nuclear submarine has been turned over to the People's Liberation Army Navy, one of the largest State-owned naval shipbuilding enterprises revealed on Tuesday, but experts believe that this submarine is not the most advanced Type 096, which is China's next generation strategic nuclear submarine.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), which also manufactures China's aircraft carrier, posted the information on its WeChat account Tuesday in an article reviewing its achievements since the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) in 2012.

"The past five years since the 18th National Congress of the CPC has been an extraordinary period for the CSIC, with the handover of China's first aircraft carrier Liaoning to the PLA Navy, the launch of the first homegrown aircraft carrier, the completion of the new nuclear submarine and the deep-sea-exploration submersible Jiaolong…"the article said.

However, the article did not reveal the submarine's name and type. But some Net users and military enthusiasts speculated the submarine is Type 096, China's most advanced nuclear submarine, and the successor of the current Type 094, which first appeared on China Central Television in 2013.

The submarine the CSIC mentioned could be Type 094 or Type 093, but not the next generation nuclear-powered ballistic submarine Type 096, since Type 096 is too advanced and not to be completed soon, Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the PLA Rocket Force, told the Global Times.

The strategic nuclear submarine, also called a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, is capable of launching nuclear warheads from the sea, and can provide "a second strike" to a country in nuclear warfare.

That means when the enemy has completely destroyed land-based launch positions, the submarines take over.

The 2017 Annual Report to the US Congress on China's military power by the US Defense Department claims that China's next-generation nuclear submarine, Type 096, will likely begin construction in the early 2020s, and will reportedly be armed with the JL-3, a submarine-based ballistic missile.

"Pentagon's prediction about Type 096 could be correct to some extent, but the submarine could be completed ahead of schedule. The submarine is a key weapon to the country's nuclear warfare capability. Only the US and Russia have the real 'nuclear triad' (consisting of ballistic missiles, strategic nuclear submarines and strategic bombers), but sooner or later, China will have it as well," said Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert.

The US report also predicts that in the next decade, China will probably develop a new variant of the SHANG class (NATO code) Type 093B, which would not only improve the PLA's anti-surface warfare capability but also provide it with a more clandestine land-attack option.



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Global Times quotes this Song Zhongping guy extremely often ... and he was in the Rocket Force, not the PLAN. It reminds me of that Xu Guanyu guy or that Anthony Wong Dong individual SCMP always references. Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo is almost always cited in the Global Times as well. I wouldn't take this article too seriously ...
 
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