09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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Hendrik_2000
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China’s New Ballistic Missile Marks New Chapter in Global Nuclear Deterrence
China is developing a new sea-based intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the Julang-3 (JL-3), according to local media.
The development of the JL-3 missile was initially reported on several years ago. It’s expected that the new missile will be part of the advanced nuclear-powered submarine project 096.
Earlier this month, Chinese websites published pictures showing the project 032 submarine, the world’s largest conventionally powered submarine, undergoing tests. The submarine underwent re-fitting work at a shipyard in Dalian. In Dalian, the submarine received new silos capable of housing a larger missile.
© AP PHOTO/ NG HAN GUAN
Currently, the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has four 094/094G project nuclear-powered missile submarines. They carry the JL-2 missile. This is the first fully operational maritime component of the Chinese nuclear triad.
Vasily Kashin, a military expert and senior research fellow at the Institute for Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, spoke to Sputnik about the possible role of the JL-3 missile for China’s strategic interests.
Kashin underscored that the development of the new ICBM is dictated by the fact that current Chinese potential for nuclear deterrence is insufficient.
"Despite the fact that the JL-2 has a relatively decent operational range (7,400-8,000 km, according to different sources), its capability to deter the United States is limited. China’s nuclear submarines operate in the South China Sea. At the same time, they are likely to face problems while leaving China’s territorial waters due to the activities of the US and Japanese naval forces," Kashin told .
According to Kashin, the JL-2 missile would be unable to reach the continental US in the event of a military conflict.
"They could be used against US allies and American bases in Asia, but their role in deterrence is minor. In order to boost its sea-based strategic nuclear forces, China needs a missile with a range of 11,000-13,000 kilometers, preferably with a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle," Kashin pointed out.
At the time, the JL-2 underwent a long and challenging series of tests, with a number of failures and delays. One of the failures nearly resulted in the destruction of the testing submarine. The problem was resolved only in 2012.
At the same time, Kashin suggested that the development of the JL-3 missile will be much less troubled.
"The difference between the JL-3 and JL-2 are not as major as that between the JL-2 and the JL-1, China’s first submarine-based ballistic missile. China will use its experience in missile development to avoid repeating its previous mistakes and speed up the creation of a new missile," Kashin concluded.
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China is developing a new sea-based intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the Julang-3 (JL-3), according to local media.
The development of the JL-3 missile was initially reported on several years ago. It’s expected that the new missile will be part of the advanced nuclear-powered submarine project 096.
Earlier this month, Chinese websites published pictures showing the project 032 submarine, the world’s largest conventionally powered submarine, undergoing tests. The submarine underwent re-fitting work at a shipyard in Dalian. In Dalian, the submarine received new silos capable of housing a larger missile.
© AP PHOTO/ NG HAN GUAN
Currently, the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has four 094/094G project nuclear-powered missile submarines. They carry the JL-2 missile. This is the first fully operational maritime component of the Chinese nuclear triad.
Vasily Kashin, a military expert and senior research fellow at the Institute for Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, spoke to Sputnik about the possible role of the JL-3 missile for China’s strategic interests.
Kashin underscored that the development of the new ICBM is dictated by the fact that current Chinese potential for nuclear deterrence is insufficient.
"Despite the fact that the JL-2 has a relatively decent operational range (7,400-8,000 km, according to different sources), its capability to deter the United States is limited. China’s nuclear submarines operate in the South China Sea. At the same time, they are likely to face problems while leaving China’s territorial waters due to the activities of the US and Japanese naval forces," Kashin told .
According to Kashin, the JL-2 missile would be unable to reach the continental US in the event of a military conflict.
"They could be used against US allies and American bases in Asia, but their role in deterrence is minor. In order to boost its sea-based strategic nuclear forces, China needs a missile with a range of 11,000-13,000 kilometers, preferably with a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle," Kashin pointed out.
At the time, the JL-2 underwent a long and challenging series of tests, with a number of failures and delays. One of the failures nearly resulted in the destruction of the testing submarine. The problem was resolved only in 2012.
At the same time, Kashin suggested that the development of the JL-3 missile will be much less troubled.
"The difference between the JL-3 and JL-2 are not as major as that between the JL-2 and the JL-1, China’s first submarine-based ballistic missile. China will use its experience in missile development to avoid repeating its previous mistakes and speed up the creation of a new missile," Kashin concluded.
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asif iqbal
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Hopefully they will do international deep water patrol
Hendrik_2000
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Not too long ago we have discussion about the propulsion system of type 95 If this model is true representation of type 95 and what Ma Weiming said or not But it come down to jet propulsion.
Many of us believe it will be water jet propulsion whether rimless or not inconsequential
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-093-094-095-nuclear-submarine-thread.t6883/page-125
Low and behold we now have this model that show a water jet propulsion
One of our resident expert even wrote an article phoo, phoo ing the idea of water jet propulsion
Bltizo never poo-pooed pumpjet propulsion. He said we cannot be sure if 09V will use pumpjet or conventional screws because Adm. Ma wasn't talking about pumpjet propulsion and was talking about IEPS instead. Therefore, we can be sure that 09V will use IEPS. We also can be sure that the PLAN is conducting research on pumpjets but whether that research will translate into 09V usage is unknown.
I want to add that what I said was rimless drive versus conventional screw driven, not pumpjet versus conventional screw.
A pumpjet can be a rimless drive or conventional screw driven.
I was poopooing the idea that 09V would use a rimless drive because as you said, Prof Ma was only talking about IEPS rather than a rimless drive.
I was not expressing doubt that 09V would use a pumpjet, only doubt about it using a rimless pumpjet/drive.
I assume you're talking about me.
I want to make it clear that I never poopooed the idea that it would use pumpjet propulsion. In fact my article did not make any comment about whether 09V would use a pumpjet or not.
What I criticized, was the idea that 09V would use a rimless drive based on Prof Ma's words, which there was no basis for.
There is a big difference between having a pumpjet which is conventional screw driven or rimless -- the difference definitely is not inconsequential either in terms of the consequences for a submarine's performance, or in terms of the discussion that was being had back in July with various articles claiming that the pumpjet would be rimless.
If there is only 5 total, and we are seeing public photograph that shows 3 at once than something is very wrong, there should be at least 2 on mission at any single time, what its doing all sitting at dock, exposed and all at 1 place?
Is this showing the lack of readiness of PLAN submarines?