09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[FORBIN]

It wasn't so long ago that denizens were screa - I mean insisting - that 095 was already under construction....

What size/armament can we envisaged, 8000 + tons max, 115 x 11 m ? surely VLS etc... ? exist a reliable view ?

Maybe... to use an electrically-powered rim-driven thruster but also Columbia class and not impossible Virginia Block V enough different, in more propulsion is not all and mainly USA have now 16 Virginia/Seawolf very silencious * + 2/year so the average noise of the US submarine fleet for long time is clearly better. In more the 688i remains one of the best.
Except Astute only new Yasen can compete but remains a bit more noisy.

*Especialy in blue water SSN are less comfortable in shallow waters.

 

[Iron Man]

What size/armament can we envisaged, 8000 + tons max, 115 x 11 m ? surely VLS etc... ? exist a reliable view ?

Maybe... to use an electrically-powered rim-driven thruster but also Columbia class and not impossible Virginia Block V enough different, in more propulsion is not all and mainly USA have now 16 Virginia/Seawolf very silencious * + 2/year so the average noise of the US submarine fleet for long time is clearly better. In more the 688i remains one of the best.
Except Astute only new Yasen can compete but remains a bit more noisy.

*Especialy in blue water SSN are less comfortable in shallow waters.

I think 7,000-8,000t is a more likely range of (submerged) displacement for the 095, with VLS of course. A shrouded propulsor would a far more likely sighting on the 095 than a rim-driven propulsor IMO. And by the looks of things the PLAN seems likely to start commencing mass-production of a new class of SSN, presumably the 095, so clearly they are happy with its acoustic abilities compared to the state of the art of the USN, so I think at minimum this class will be within 1 generation of the Virginia, i.e. equal to or better than the 688i, which BTW is still the predominant class of SSNs within the USN.

 

[azesus]

Why does China's weapon development have to follow US's tech tree ladder? Back when China just lack money doesn't mean it lack smart people, Silicon Valley practically a Chinatown you can get around town just speaking Mandarin. Just like the 052C skip right to AESA while all the Burkes are still using PESA and before J-20 came out people thought it would just be a improved J-10. And here we have people still stuck in the "good old times" and talking about the same grandpa 688I that can't get their repair maintenance done on time because of public shipyard backlog that averages a 4 year wait so now they will have to go to a private shipyard and get ripped off and the repair still not done properly due to the inexperience of private company due to the sensitive nature of military asset, that its dive certification has expired and serve as a barge, 688i so old every time it dives it's like taking a risk it won't resurface and it's just being noisy by been a aged metal fatigued creaky shell.

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Attack Sub USS Boise Set for Private Yard Maintenance in 2019 After Public Yard Backlog Defers Job

 

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China's new submarine engine is poised to revolutionize underwater warfare
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[Iron Man]

Why does China's weapon development have to follow US's tech tree ladder? Back when China just lack money doesn't mean it lack smart people, Silicon Valley practically a Chinatown you can get around town just speaking Mandarin. Just like the 052C skip right to AESA while all the Burkes are still using PESA and before J-20 came out people thought it would just be a improved J-10. And here we have people still stuck in the "good old times" and talking about the same grandpa 688I that can't get their repair maintenance done on time because of public shipyard backlog that averages a 4 year wait so now they will have to go to a private shipyard and get ripped off and the repair still not done properly due to the inexperience of private company due to the sensitive nature of military asset, that its dive certification has expired and serve as a barge, 688i so old every time it dives it's like taking a risk it won't resurface and it's just being noisy by been a aged metal fatigued creaky shell.

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Attack Sub USS Boise Set for Private Yard Maintenance in 2019 After Public Yard Backlog Defers Job

So in your expert view the 688i is grandpa tech because it can't get repair maintenance done on time and so the US govt has to get ripped off by private shipyards. Got it. That is so totally relevant.

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China's new submarine engine is poised to revolutionize underwater warfare
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The Red October is a fictionalized Akula submarine? ROFLMAO AUTO-FAIL

 

[azesus]

So in your expert view the 688i is grandpa tech because it can't get repair maintenance done on time and so the US govt has to get ripped off by private shipyards. Got it. That is so totally relevant.


The Red October is a fictionalized Akula submarine? ROFLMAO AUTO-FAIL

Yeah like so totally relevant until you have to serve on it like I had a stint as a boatswain's mate 3rd class on the USS Pelielu back early to mid 2k and the workload on that ship let's just say heavy is the polite adjective, where you served as a keyboard warrior 1st class on the command and conquer red alert? ROFLAMO . I am sure the working load stress conditions those nuke subs are way harder than my LHA.
That's the REAL WORLD context we all have to operate in even a hot movie star ages pass their prime. The Red October description are from the words from those sensationalized journalist

 

[Lethe]

Why does China's weapon development have to follow US's tech tree ladder? [....] Just like the 052C skip right to AESA while all the Burkes are still using PESA

Good comparison, and you're right -- China doesn't have to follow the same technology path as western nations. Indeed, China can adopt new or 'disruptive' technologies at a rate comparable or even superior to western nations owing to lower levels of investment in previous technologies and resulting institutional inertia. It is areas that have been characterised by successive generations of incremental improvements (such as the metallurgy in jet engines) where China is slowest in catching up.

The Red October is a fictionalized Akula submarine? ROFLMAO AUTO-FAIL

I can't read the article (or any other PopSci link) because the site just redirects me to the homepage for the Australian version, but you are aware that 'Akula' is the Russian name (i.e. the real name) for the Typhoon-class submarines that Tom Clancy's fictional variant was based upon?

 

[Iron Man]

Yeah like so totally relevant until you have to serve on it like I had a stint as a boatswain's mate 3rd class on the USS Pelielu back early to mid 2k and the workload on that ship let's just say heavy is the polite adjective, where you served as a keyboard warrior 1st class on the command and conquer red alert? ROFLAMO . I am sure the working load stress conditions those nuke subs are way harder than my LHA.
That's the REAL WORLD context we all have to operate in even a hot movie star ages pass their prime. The Red October description are from the words from those sensationalized journalist

You had a stint on the USS Pelielu, so that means you are more qualified to talk about submarine technology of various countries compared to each other than me. No, I don't think so, my boatswain's mate. Again, you have not specified how the maintenance contracts that the USN gives out has anything at all to do with the technological level of the 688i compared to Chinese subs. Please, put all the incisive expertise gained from your "stint" into this question.

 

[azesus]

You had a stint on the USS Pelielu, so that means you are more qualified to talk about submarine technology of various countries compared to each other than me. No, I don't think so, my boatswain's mate. Again, you have not specified how the maintenance contracts that the USN gives out has anything at all to do with the technological level of the 688i compared to Chinese subs. Please, put all the incisive expertise gained from your "stint" into this question.

You can believe in whatever you want, be whether unicorn or Santa Claus , my princess. The other posters such as Hendrik and Superdog already posted better explanation from the technical perspective than I do from previous posts, all you got to do is develop your reading comprehension level to elementary school level and just go read those previous posts yourself. 688 is analogous to F-18 and the Seawolf is F-22,. 688i was build from what like the late 80's to mid 90's, so that was back when those Reebok Pumps came out so indeed your mind seems still stuck in those times.

 

[jobjed]

You can believe in whatever you want, be whether unicorn or Santa Claus , my princess. The other posters such as Hendrik and Superdog already posted better explanation from the technical perspective than I do from previous posts, all you got to do is develop your reading comprehension level to elementary school level and just go read those previous posts yourself. 688 is analogous to F-18 and the Seawolf is F-22,. 688i was build from what like the late 80's to mid 90's, so that was back when those Reebok Pumps came out so indeed your mind seems still stuck in those times.

Iron Man said this:

"I think at minimum this class will be within 1 generation of the Virginia, i.e. equal to or better than the 688i, which BTW is still the predominant class of SSNs within the USN."

It's perfectly valid. Emphasis on the "at minimum". The Type 09V could very well leapfrog the Seawolf but that wouldn't disagree with what Iron Man said at all.