075 LHD thread

[PiSigma]

I think a modern LHD is not as complex as a modern CATOBAR carrier.

I think it would rather go, CATOBAR > STOBAR >> LHD/A > LPD

Complexity and experience is different. Parts of the LHD is like a carrier and others like 071... But not the same together. Every class have their special problems that won't be discovered until real sailors worked on them. They might be able to take learning's from carrier on deck design and 071 learning's for well deck design but a lot of space will have conflict.

Say for carriers, below the hanger, you can put all your power generation and storage. But in a LHD you wont have that option because you will need it for the well deck. Or where is the couple hundred marines going to go? Space allocation, and if walking around those new untested spaces is what I'm talking about.

On 016, one of the complaints was the layout is inefficient and not suitable for the sailors needs due to the soviets wanting missiles on ship. So 017 had the whole inside completely redesigned based on feedback. Don't want two LHD without the initial feedback. Unless there is a building somewhere we don't know about that replicates the design (not likely) for sailors to debug.

 

[2handedswordsman]

do not forget that china has for almost 20 years two kiev class carriers to study and analyse the design of an LHD

 

[Blitzo]

Complexity and experience is different. Parts of the LHD is like a carrier and others like 071... But not the same together. Every class have their special problems that won't be discovered until real sailors worked on them. They might be able to take learning's from carrier on deck design and 071 learning's for well deck design but a lot of space will have conflict.

Say for carriers, below the hanger, you can put all your power generation and storage. But in a LHD you wont have that option because you will need it for the well deck. Or where is the couple hundred marines going to go? Space allocation, and if walking around those new untested spaces is what I'm talking about.

On 016, one of the complaints was the layout is inefficient and not suitable for the sailors needs due to the soviets wanting missiles on ship. So 017 had the whole inside completely redesigned based on feedback. Don't want two LHD without the initial feedback. Unless there is a building somewhere we don't know about that replicates the design (not likely) for sailors to debug.

I understand what you mean, however I'm saying that if they really are building two 075s before having experience with a first LHD, then it suggests they have sufficient confidence in their design (derived from experience in designing and operating 071 LPDs and CV-16) such that any issues there are left to "debug" are projected to be relatively minor.

 

[latenlazy]

Complexity and experience is different. Parts of the LHD is like a carrier and others like 071... But not the same together. Every class have their special problems that won't be discovered until real sailors worked on them. They might be able to take learning's from carrier on deck design and 071 learning's for well deck design but a lot of space will have conflict.

Say for carriers, below the hanger, you can put all your power generation and storage. But in a LHD you wont have that option because you will need it for the well deck. Or where is the couple hundred marines going to go? Space allocation, and if walking around those new untested spaces is what I'm talking about.

On 016, one of the complaints was the layout is inefficient and not suitable for the sailors needs due to the soviets wanting missiles on ship. So 017 had the whole inside completely redesigned based on feedback. Don't want two LHD without the initial feedback. Unless there is a building somewhere we don't know about that replicates the design (not likely) for sailors to debug.

You can get around some of that gap in operational experience by studying the experiences of others (as China has shown itself very capable of doing for practically its entire naval modernization). This holds especially true when the concepts and platforms in question are not new inventions, but well worn ones that already have decades of precedent and practice behind them.

 

[PiSigma]

You can get around some of that gap in operational experience by studying the experiences of others (as China has shown itself very capable of doing for practically its entire naval modernization). This holds especially true when the concepts and platforms in question are not new inventions, but well worn ones that already have decades of precedent and practice behind them.

True. How many Chinese friends have operational LHDs? And who is willing to share that experience with them?

 

[latenlazy]

True. How many Chinese friends have operational LHDs? And who is willing to share that experience with them?

Which countries was China able to get an intimate study of carrier ops from in the last three decades?

 

[PiSigma]

I understand what you mean, however I'm saying that if they really are building two 075s before having experience with a first LHD, then it suggests they have sufficient confidence in their design (derived from experience in designing and operating 071 LPDs and CV-16) such that any issues there are left to "debug" are projected to be relatively minor.

Maybe. Still doesn't explain two ships. Until there is evidence of it, I don't believe it.

In any major project, there is a pilot/demonstration phase. Especially when billions of dollars are involved.

 

[PiSigma]

Which countries was China able to get an intimate study of carrier ops from in the last three decades?

Brazil and Thailand... Neither have LHD

 

[latenlazy]

Brazil and Thailand... Neither have LHD

I wasn't just referring to hands on opportunities.

 

[Daniel707]

Everybody in here have right to give his personal opinion, and always love that.
Because that show, many people interested in China's New Type 075 LHD (40,000 Tonnes)


But in this case, it's like

Big Shrimps and Henry.K statement VS Pissigma personal opinion

Sorry, I will still place my bet to Big shrimps and Henry.K statements

"That China right now Building 2 Type 075 LHD at the same time in their Shipyards"

Until this day, Big shrimps and Henry.K already Proof that they are very Credible members regarding new information about China's Naval Development.