075 LHD thread

[Jeff Head]

Just to be clear we are expecting a LHD rather than a LHA as it is supposed to have a well deck right?

The Taraawa class was considered LHAs and they had well decks...as well as the aft elevator.

But the US discarded that elevator for the two deck edge elevators on the Wasp LHDs (and now on the new America LHAs) because it makes a significant positive difference in the sortie rate of aircraft for the vessel.

The Tarawa class were excellent vessels for their day, displacing 39,000 tons full load. But the Wasp class were also a significant improvement.

I am somewhat surprised that the sketch shows the aft elevator in the middle of the deck. But, having said that, the Juan Carlos (Spain) amd the the Canberra class (Australia) continue the practice,.

 

[MwRYum]

I am somewhat surprised that the sketch shows the aft elevator in the middle of the deck. But, having said that, the Juan Carlos (Spain) amd the the Canberra class (Australia) continue the practice,.

You do know the Juan Carlos and Canberra class is essentially the same design, right? And the Australians kept almost the whole Juan Carlos package including the ski-jump deck despite they won't deploy STOL jet (of course, it's because they don't want to pay extra for the necessary redesign work).

So, let's assume that the 075 class design does have an aft elevator, would it really be any demerit there? Or because it's the lead ship for the PLAN to test out their package for real, there's a luxury of sort to go for a known design at this time?

 

[Jeff Head]

You do know the Juan Carlos and Canberra class is essentially the same design, right? And the Australians kept almost the whole Juan Carlos package , there's a luxury of sort to go for a known design at this time?

OF course I do.

I mentioned it in my post.

The US left that design because of the efficiencies they could work into their sortie rate with the two deck edge elevators. More deck space for Take off, landing, spotting, etc., etc.

Anyhow, this does not mean it is a horrible design at all.

It just means that they choe that path for whatever reaon.

But the best path has been learned over decades of experience and I would have thought the PLANw oudl take advantage of it.

They clearly have their own reasons for not ddoing so.

One may ne the size of their helos, thohuh thr CH-53s are very larger themselves.

Oh well...I am sure they will be outstanding vessels.

 

[FORBIN]

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China to Start Construction on 1st Type 075 LHD Amphibious Assault Ship for PLAN Soon

According to our source in China, the steel cutting of the first Type 075 Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) for the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) is expected to take place by the first quarter of 2017.

China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) is said to have been awarded the contract and will therefore act as prime contractor. CSSC is one of the two largest shipbuilding conglomerates in China (the other being the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation - CSIC). CSSC is one of the top 10 defence groups in China, consists of various ship yards, equipment manufacturers, research institutes and shipbuilding related companies, some of the well known shipbuilders in China such as Jiangnan Shipyard and Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding are currently owned by CSSC.

The Type 075 LHD is expected to have a displacement of 36,000 tons. In comparison, a Mistral-class LHD displaces 21,000 tons full load, the Juan Carlos LHD 26,000 tons and the Wasp-class 40,500 tons.

Type 075 LHD should be able to deploy and accomodate up to 30x helicopters (Z-8, Z-9, Z-18, Ka-28, Ka-31) with 6x helicopter spots on the flight deck and the main elevator located at the stern.

For self protection, the LHD is set to be fitted with 2x H/PJ-11 eleven-barreled 30mm CIWS and 2x HQ-10 short range SAM launchers.

Finally, the contract for the new Type 054B frigates should be signed soon, while the extension work at the Shanghai shipyard will be completed by 2017 (construction of a future CATOBAR aircraft carrier will then be possible at this shipyard).

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[weig2000]

From the flurry of the information disclosed by big shrimps like fzgfzy and pop3, it appears that the construction start of 075 LHD is imminent, likely before the end of the year. There have also been some details of 075 being revealed by these guys.

Within the last week alone, pop3 had published two blog posts regarding 075 LHD (and other Chinese amphibious projects). pop3 knows a lot of PLAN stuff but usually controls the release of the relevant information carefully, in terms of level of details and timing, typically after the MOD announces the project or someone prominent with official or semi-official capacity disclose it.

In his latest post, he provided some info on 075 LHD, but also mentioned that design of 071A - the upgraded 071 LPD - has been completed. Here is the relevant part, in Chinese:

071型综合登陆舰后续型071A型也已经完成了设计，071A型在各方面都进行了改进和升级，在电子武器系统上也有重大的进步，如配备了功能更为强大的两栖作战指挥系统和JIDS数据系统等，而PJ11型近程防御武器系统和HQ-10导弹武器系统也将成为标准配置。

2012年，中国海军完成了075型两栖攻击舰的综合研制立项工作，075型两栖攻击舰有着36000吨的排水量，可搭载28架直升机，配备了双1130近防武器系统和双HQ-10导弹武器系统以及新型电子战系统。075型两栖攻击舰在两栖作战指挥能力上同样取得重大的进步，实现了两栖作战的“集中指挥、综合控制、分级管理”。075型两栖攻击舰有望年内开工建造，这将是中国海军两栖战武器上的一个重大事件。

Below is the Google translation:

The 071A has also been completed, and the 071A has been improved and upgraded in all respects. Significant progress has also been made in electronic weapon systems, such as the provision of a more powerful amphibious command system and JIDS data systems, and PJ11 short-range defense weapons systems and HQ-10 missile weapon system will also be a standard configuration.

In 2012, the Chinese Navy completed the comprehensive development of the 075 amphibious assault ship project, 075 amphibious assault ship has 36,000 tons of displacement, can carry 28 helicopters, equipped with dual 1130 close to weapons systems and dual HQ-10 missile weapons Systems and new electronic warfare systems. 075 amphibious assault ship in the amphibious operational command ability also made significant progress, to achieve the amphibious operations of the "centralized command, integrated control, classification management." 075 amphibious assault ship is expected to start construction during the year, this will be the Chinese Navy amphibious warfare on a major event.

 

[Blitzo]

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Good article @navyreco

Might be worth mentioning that the 36,000 ton displacement is currently thought to be for the standard displacement of the 075 as well, compared to some of the other LHD displacements listed some of which are full displacement.

 

[Iron Man]

Might be worth mentioning that the 36,000 ton displacement is currently thought to be for the standard displacement of the 075

Is this something that has been explicitly stated, or your interpretation of thus far divulged information?

 

[Blitzo]

Is this something that has been explicitly stated, or your interpretation of thus far divulged information?

pop3's displacement figures are always given as standard displacement. I think he may have mentioned it explicitly a while back (someone else would have to remind me; weig2000 or jobjed?).

So to answer your question, I suppose it is a result of the implicitly accepted ways of interpreting statements and rumours from certain big shrimps.

 

[FORBIN]

" fzgfzy " and " pop3 " all Chinese sites or blogs, or forums reliable ?
And i don' t speak Mandarin and translation laborious ! ...

 

[MwRYum]

" fzgfzy " and " pop3 " all Chinese sites or blogs, or forums reliable ?
And i don' t speak Mandarin and translation laborious ! ...

Because they've been known to thrown stuff onto the internet and turns out to be very accruate, so they are considered to be "reliable".