071 LPD thread

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

In my opinion the Mistral Class is a superb vessal, built using commercial standard and competed at DCNS it fits the best part of commercial and military works, building the shell at a commercial shipyard ensured low cost and luxury liner style comforts with high automation it has a crew of just 170, any other vessal of this size would otherwise have a crew of over 300

Multi purpose and extremely versatile the current fleet of LHDs have been at sea continuously since they were inducted into the French Navy

Commercial ship building, high automation and low crews ensure it is a cost effective solution for needs of the French navy, however the down side is low number of people for damage control and very thin skin of the ship, but it's a trade off and I think France may have just pulled this one off extremely well

Should China opt for this kind of ship, no, they need a military grade ship with military grade materials with larger crew

Shame the French white paper cut the 4th and 5th Mistral Class as well as a second carrier, if they went ahead with these three extra flat tops they would be very much a top navy in the world to rival the Royal Navy with its two carriers

I think more and more nations will opt for these kind of cheap low cost fiat tops to full fill thier navy's requirements, however if war comes they might not do too well, it's a capital ship to losse during a conflict

 

[mzyw]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Thanks for the pic, could you clarify what is that ramp like extension towards the bow of the ship is it the side ramp? If so why can't they just use that?

Also to point out, during war time many country do the opposite they lower the standard of their warships so that more can be constructed-e.g. WWII frigates. Inaddition I think civilian standard can be compare to military standard, for example large oil tankers, liquified gas containers and civilian airliners, they all have very high standard and built to the highest quality, thus I think the French did a very smart thing by lowering the construction price without sacrifice the quality of their ship.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Over at cdf, hhg posted a picture from CCTV news showing an engineers truck being lifted up from the lower well deck using crane.

The crane wires seem to pass through an opening on the heli-deck to reach the truck seated on the well deck. Looking through 071 pics available in the thread, the opening seems to be located right before the center pillar of the hanger door.

The opening looks small on 071 large heli-deck but is big enough for a 5 ton engineers truck to pass through.

So 071 has no direct access ramp from its lower deck up to the heli-deck, but an opening on the heli-deck for cargo transfer between decks using its on-board crane by the side of the hanger.

I would have thought that they would have made hatch an elevator...but perhaps due to the configuration of the well deck below, they could not do so.

A 6-8 ton elevator there would have helped a lot.

 

[plawolf]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think some people are reading way too much into this. This is only a training exercise, and I have not seen that all many vehicles in the pictures I have seen so far.

The most likely explanation is there were only half a dozen or a dozen vehicles that were to be transported, and the PLAN decided it wasn't worth the expense to order the 071 to a port with a suitable pier to use the aft ramp of the side RORO hatches to load the vehicles so they dropped them into the garage via the hatch on the hanger instead.

I will say that there is one curious design aspect of the 071 that I do not get at all, and that is why the onboard crane is on the starboard side rather than the port side.

Had the crane been on the port side, they could have just used that to load the vehicles without needing another crane, and it would surely have made standard resupply much easier for the 071 if they can just use their own crane to lift cargo off the port and drop it into the cargo hold below in one operation.

I am scratching my head as to why the crane was put on the starboard side. I see no benefit to it over putting it on the port side, where it would have been more useful.

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Edit.

Just to add, the only benefit I can see to having the onboard crane on the starboard side is so that it can be used at the same time as any port side cranes.

The only scenario I can think if where that could be necessary is if the 071 was doing a rapid resupply, whereby the port cranes would be dumping supplies and other materials on the helipad as quickly as they can while the onboard crane drops stuff down below. This way, they can get just pile stuff on the helideck and the ship can leave port while the onboard crane gradually shifts it all down below during the voyage.

But this seems like a very niche application to overrule the much more common normal resupply benefits of having the crane on the port side.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Woo hoo!

Trumpeter is releasing a 1/350 scale Type 071 Model, announced on June 8, and will ship in October.

Places here in the states are already taking pre-orders.

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I am in touch with my suppliers here in the states and in China and will order one by Monday to be the center piece of my PLAN ARG that I will be building (already have a FFG and three DDGs to go with it) to go along with the PLAN CSG I have already built (Liaoning, two Type 054As, one Type 52C, and the latest Han sub - but waiting for a model of the Type 093 or 095 SSN).

This model will have Photo Etch railings, deck and sensor details and about 900 injection molded plastic parts. Two Z-8 Helicopters, and I am hoping at least one LCAC. Looks to be very comparable to the Gallery models and Bronco models 1/350 scale San Antonio class models that are out there which I already own for my US Navy ARG.

Great stuff.

 

[hardware]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft


is that VTOL LPD under construction? if it so then kanwa is wrong again.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Is that VTOL LPD under construction? if it so then kanwa is wrong again.

Any idea where those pictures were taken...and when?

The island almost looks like the Italian Cavour, perhaps a Mistral.

Anyhow, any LPD, LHD, etc. can operate VTOL aircraft as long as there is clearance on the deck, and as long as the deck is strong enough to take their weight. Particularly for short durations without a lot of changes necessary.

But, if they intend to do it very often, then they will want the right surfaces applied to avodid damage to the deck if they are operating VSTOL Jets due to their jet blast. And changes to the hangers if they intend to house, and maintain them there. Also to the fueling system and handling to ensure that they have the right type and amount of fuel, and to ordinance supplies and handling to ensure they can rearm them.

 

[hardware]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Hmmm..wmf claim it under consturction north Chinese port.likely the guy who post the picture got it wrong.again we need second opinion.

 

[steven_master]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

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is that VTOL LPD under construction? if it so then kanwa is wrong again.

Russian mistral

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Hmmm..wmf claim it under consturction north Chinese port.likely the guy who post the picture got it wrong.again we need second opinion.

After looking at the pic more closely, to me, it looks much more like a Mistral, either one that the French already constructed, or perhaps the new one being built for the Russian Navy...though I did not think construction was this far along yet.

I'm going to look for construction pics of those vessels and see if we find one that looks like that.