071 LPD thread

[rolking]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

isn't that a HUGE design flaw that it doesn't have a roro side ramp to load vehicles/equipment? It would be very inefficient not to mention time consuming to lift one piece of machinery at a time using cranes.

There seems to be some confusion with 071's vehicle RORO capability. 071 has 2 portside RORO door ramps, 1 each on both sides of her hull.

The Brunei pictures show cranes being used to lift off trucks that were parked on the heli-deck, nothing to suggest that vehicles originally parked in the lower inner deck or even well deck cannot be driven onto the dock/wharf through the portside RORO ramp. Just imagine, how can the crane directly reach vehicles parked deep inside the inner deck?

The issue is there seems to be no "direct" RORO access from the lower decks onto the TOPMOST hanger/heli-deck, hence cranes have to be used to haul these vehicles if their designated parking spots are on the heli-deck.

i don't think this lack of "direct" RORO onto heli-deck is a design flaw on the 071. This common feature is nothing new on most LPD that i don't believe the 071 designers could have missed or are ignorant about.

This is more like a design trade-off the 071 designers opt for in choosing one of the longest/deepest well dock able to house 4 LCACs. Most LPDs including the largest San-Antonio class can only house at most 2 LCAC inside their well dock.

In a sense, the 071 is truely an all out assault vessel with a well dock for 4 LCAC, large heli-deck with hanger space for 4 heli. Not some cargo transporter disguised as an amphibious assault vessel.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Is that the best way to get equipment on board an LPD?

Well, I would have thought they had a ramp up to the landing deck from the vehicle storage, but apparently not. The larger LHD/LHA can use the elevators and some have ramps too, and some LPDs have elevators. But not here. So, to park them on the landing deck, they are using a crane. Which would necessitate a crane on the receiving end too.

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

In any case, after the crane & truck pics surfaced, sites in Taiwan have a field day with them, they were overwhelmingly laughing off at the "backwardness" of the 071's designs...

 

[Hendrik_2000]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

In any case, after the crane & truck pics surfaced, sites in Taiwan have a field day with them, they were overwhelmingly laughing off at the "backwardness" of the 071's designs...

That show how stupid they are . As rolking post eloquently explained, in any design there are trade off that designer choose depending on mission required. It only show their ignorance and stupidity in matter of naval design. 071 prime mission is assault and not transportation.

In this MOOTW exercise, she is Jerry rigged into a transport that she is clearly not designed for

 

[rolking]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

2 more posts so i can post pictures.

 

[rolking]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

1 more post so i can post pictures

 

[rolking]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

1 more post so i can post pictures

 

[rolking]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Over at cdf, hhg posted a picture from CCTV news showing an engineers truck being lifted up from the lower well deck using crane.

i managed to locate the CCTV news clip. Link:

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The crane wires seem to pass through an opening on the heli-deck to reach the truck seated on the well deck. Looking through 071 pics available in the thread, the opening seems to be located right before the center pillar of the hanger door. The faint lines of the rectangular opening on the heli-deck can be seen in the pictures below.



The opening looks small on 071 large heli-deck but is big enough for a 5 ton engineers truck to pass through.

So 071 has no direct access ramp from its lower deck up to the heli-deck, but an opening on the heli-deck for cargo transfer between decks using its on-board crane by the side of the hanger.

For some unknown reasons, the engineers truck while originally parked on the lower deck have to be craned off instead of simply driven through 071 sidedoor ramp. hhg asserts that 071 sidedoor ramp must be faulty, too low for Brunei wharf, thus a design flaw of the 071. i simply do not agree as there are many practical reasons for 071 not using or not able to use its side door ramp on the Brunei dock/wharf.

As for taiwanese forummers viewing this 071 design as backward. i would reiterate that 071 designers knowingly chose a huge well dock for 4 LCAC, omitted the access ramp between decks. This only demonstrates 071's intended role in the PLAN, not design flaw nor "backwardness". If transporting trucks is the real mission, PLAN has many Yuting class LSTs for this purpose.

OT: I have visited Taiwan many times and really like her. Friendly people, delicious food/fruits and good weather. Just be careful of chaotic traffic.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Simply put Type 071 is a LPD not a LHD, just look at the French loading vehicles on the Mistral Class for mission in Mali, they used Mistral Class basically like a roll on roll off vessal because they can, for Type 071 if the pier was low enough they could have just driven in and out of the well deck but the ports at both sides obviously did not meet this requirement

The next Chinese LHD will have this kind of roll on roll of capability but for a LPD this is not a must

Mistral Class loading trucks using rear ramp door, in addition they can drive straight to the upper deck using internal ramps

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

If the pier was low enough Type 071 could also have been used in this manner to load vehicles to the well deck