071 LPD thread

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think you have mix up profitability of shipyard vs frugality of PLAN. PLAN indeed has an increase of budget but they still need to maximise their money. If the Turkish LHD build together with PLAN version. Cost per unit will definitely goes down. Nothing to do with shipyard profit. In fact, a win win situation for shipyard and PLAN. But PLAN definitely can save more money. I believe if Turkish bid failed. They will still go ahead with building PLAN version but price per unit will be higher.

As for JF-17, that's a terrible example. They have J-10, why would they go for JF-17 but does PLAN needs LHD? Yes, they need it.

Malaysia was offered Type 071 LPD class in 2006, deal didnt do through, they still built 2 more LPDs didnt they

i think the problem here is you just have a habbit of talking to yourself

 

[rhino123]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think you have mix up profitability of shipyard vs frugality of PLAN. PLAN indeed has an increase of budget but they still need to maximise their money. If the Turkish LHD build together with PLAN version. Cost per unit will definitely goes down. Nothing to do with shipyard profit. In fact, a win win situation for shipyard and PLAN. But PLAN definitely can save more money. I believe if Turkish bid failed. They will still go ahead with building PLAN version but price per unit will be higher.

Ok... if Turkey is to buy the LHD... how many of the LHD will they buy? One or two? If that is the figure, how much will it affect per unit cost of each LHD eventually? I don't think it will affect much. If Turkey is to buy 10 or 20 then yes, ultimately it is going to affect per unit cost of each ship.

I believe that the Turkish bid was done with multiple levels in mind... when such a deal was offer, it had definitely be something to do with,

1) International Politics - to make friends, allies, etc.
2) Profit

The last thing that came into mind is to lower per unit cost of each ship though.

 

[Lion]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Malaysia was offered Type 071 LPD class in 2006, deal didnt do through, they still built 2 more LPDs didnt they

i think the problem here is you just have a habbit of talking to yourself

I don't think you need to be that offensive. Probably you still bear a grudge over the over horizon amphibious education?

I think you are another one having reading problem. What does China not winning Malaysia LDP tender got to do with Malaysia decision to still go ahead win building LDP? and does it related to my suggestion and post?

 

[Lion]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Ok... if Turkey is to buy the LHD... how many of the LHD will they buy? One or two? If that is the figure, how much will it affect per unit cost of each LHD eventually? I don't think it will affect much. If Turkey is to buy 10 or 20 then yes, ultimately it is going to affect per unit cost of each ship.

I believe that the Turkish bid was done with multiple levels in mind... when such a deal was offer, it had definitely be something to do with,

1) International Politics - to make friends, allies, etc.
2) Profit

The last thing that came into mind is to lower per unit cost of each ship though.

I think you have reading problem. Nor did I mention cost Per unit is the main factor for Turkish. Rather its PLAN is more concern about cost per unit. If you are familiar with PLAN style. They are in fact very frugal in spending. I do not think PLAN is going to build 10- 20 LHD. I estimated at 3-4 units will be needed for PLAN. If you factor in 1-2 units from Turkish bid. Will it have an effect on price per unit for PLAN? I will say yes. The main key factor is PLAN will also adopted this similiar concept tender to Turkish side and build for PLAN too. The Chinese shipyard wouldn't give a screw up design for its armed forces, right? That needs to be the assuring part if it really needs to get the tender. I don't think Turkish will go for an unproven design unless its adopted some armed forces too.

But my conclusion will be PLAN will still build a LHD soon even they failed to get the Turkish tender. I think they are just trying their luck.

 

[vesicles]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think you have reading problem. Nor did I mention cost Per unit is the main factor for Turkish. Rather its PLAN is more concern about cost per unit.

I think that's exactly what rhino123 was saying. Everything he/she mentioned in that post centered on China and why China should make the decision they make, nothing to do with Turkey...

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The available news thus far says what PLAN planned for themselves is a larger design than what they submit for the Turkey's bid, that means can't compare apple with orange. Still, haven't built a flattop themselves makes their case weaker then their competitors.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Actually the contractor for the Turkish project is RMK Marine and it has a very good lift capability, which includes, 13 tanks, 27 amphibious assault vehicles, 21 armoured personal carriers in addition to 30 jeeps, trucks miscellaneous, a well deck to accommodate 4 landing craft mechanics or 2 LCAC, 2 landing craft personal vehicles , commander boat and RHIB, in addition to more than a dozen helicopters including Chinnoks, and will lift more than 1,000 marines

for all intents and purposes it has much influence and work from South Korea who have a great design themselves, the Dokdo Class, it will be a great addition to the Turkish naval forces

The Chinese design was probably just a offer they made, it's good for China and raises awareness amongst competitors, if China already had a LHD in operation then it would give them credibility in the sales pitch but never the less worth a go

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[drunkmunky]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Although the naval application is different from the air force, the J-10a and J-10b variant for Pakistan have totally different packages on the same chassis.

Same for the Type-99 MBT / Al Khalid in the Army.

It would not be a surprise to me if the Navy manufactured an LHD for Turkey with different specifications than the ones used buy the China Navy.

 

[rhino123]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think you have reading problem. Nor did I mention cost Per unit is the main factor for Turkish. Rather its PLAN is more concern about cost per unit. If you are familiar with PLAN style. They are in fact very frugal in spending. I do not think PLAN is going to build 10- 20 LHD. I estimated at 3-4 units will be needed for PLAN. If you factor in 1-2 units from Turkish bid. Will it have an effect on price per unit for PLAN? I will say yes. The main key factor is PLAN will also adopted this similiar concept tender to Turkish side and build for PLAN too. The Chinese shipyard wouldn't give a screw up design for its armed forces, right? That needs to be the assuring part if it really needs to get the tender. I don't think Turkish will go for an unproven design unless its adopted some armed forces too.

But my conclusion will be PLAN will still build a LHD soon even they failed to get the Turkish tender. I think they are just trying their luck.

Seriously dude... you really really need to stop acting so offensive and read what I have written carefully instead of jumping around. I am not going to get into an argument with you because obviously you cannot accept what others had written. And obviously after this post, you will want another shot at me. Well... go ahead, since there are people in this world who would always like to have to last words.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Although the naval application is different from the air force, the J-10a and J-10b variant for Pakistan have totally different It would not be a surprise to me if the Navy manufactured an LHD for Turkey with different specifications than the ones used buy the China Navy.

In the article, it says as much.

The tender for the Turkish LHD will be completely different that what is built for the PLAN, according to the article. The PLAN LHD, again, according to that article, is going to be much, much bigger, along the lines of a US sized LHD or LHA, while thwe Turkish tender is more along the lines of a Mistral or Ocean sized vessel.