071 LPD thread

[AeroEngineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

type 071 propulsion is not made in china
and india can build aircraft carriers, a capability that china so far hasnt show. If india can make AC, then they can make something like type 071.

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WRONG !!!!!

071's engine is MADE IN CHINA.

In fact 071's engine is the same as the American San Antonio class LDP's engine.

San Antonio Class LDP's info, go look for its engine:

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The engine is called SEMT Pielstick. It is a French diesel engine being lisense produced by many countries include:
China, USA, India, UK, and South Korea.

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071 LDP's engine is build by Shaanxi Diesel Engine Works.

San Antonio LDP's engine is build by Colt-Pielstick.

They are both the same engine build by two different countries. However, both USA and China have the capability to build every single part of this engine at home (100%) .

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Now, Kroko. Would you say that USA's LDP has no home made engine ???

LFMAO, I suggest you do some research first before you post something stupid !

 

[AeroEngineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

type 071 propulsion is not made in china
and india can build aircraft carriers, a capability that china so far hasnt show. If india can make AC, then they can make something like type 071.

__________________________________________________________

WRONG !!!!!

071's engine is MADE IN CHINA.

In fact 071's engine is the same as the American San Antonio class LDP's engine.

San Antonio Class LDP's info, go look for its engine:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

The engine is called SEMT Pielstick. It is a French diesel engine being lisense produced by many countries include:
China, USA, India, UK, and South Korea.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

071 LDP's engine is build by Shaanxi Diesel Engine Works.

San Antonio LDP's engine is build by Colt-Pielstick.

They are both the same engine build by two different countries. However, both USA and China have the capability to build every single part of this engine at home (100%) .

_______________________________________________

Now, Kroko. Would you say that USA's LDP has no home made engine ???

LMFAO, I suggest you do some research first before you post something stupid !

 

[kroko]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

WRONG !!!!!

071's engine is MADE IN CHINA.

In fact 071's engine is the same as the American San Antonio class LDP's engine.

Then perhabs i should have said "designed in china". Because, you see, china always strive for indigenous produts. Embargos by both US and EU demonstrate this. I dont believe that china choose this engine because it wanted (due to cost or something) but rather because it didnt have anything better. Can you say the same about the US?

Building a foreign engine under licence is one thing. But technology keeps getting dated. If china shipbuilding industry wants to move forward, it will have to, either buy the licence to build another foreign engine, or develop their own engine.

The problema of rely on foreign tech, is that one day they can say: i wont sell to you anymore (the produt or the licence)

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The number of designers of marine diesel engines is rather small. The best known are Sulzer in Switzerland, MAN in Germany and SEMPT-Pielstick in France. Not long ago MAN acquired the Danish B&W, which was also world famous, and Sulzer took over the marine diesels of Wartesila from Finland. The US has no designer for large marine diesels ( did they ever had one ? ).
Of course Sulzer doesn't actually build diesel engines for ships, because you can't transport these things from Switzerland to the sea. They design the engine and test the parts but then the new engine will first be build by a licensee in say South Korea.
China has licensees from all the major marine diesel designs so can do with these without having a designer of its own, just like the US.

 

[tphuang]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Then perhabs i should have said "designed in china". Because, you see, china always strive for indigenous produts. Embargos by both US and EU demonstrate this. I dont believe that china choose this engine because it wanted (due to cost or something) but rather because it didnt have anything better. Can you say the same about the US?

Building a foreign engine under licence is one thing. But technology keeps getting dated. If china shipbuilding industry wants to move forward, it will have to, either buy the licence to build another foreign engine, or develop their own engine.

The problema of rely on foreign tech, is that one day they can say: i wont sell to you anymore (the produt or the licence)

just a point on this one. China generally has no problem with ships equipping license produced diesel engines. They are not concerned about getting embargoed on this or anything like that

 

[AeroEngineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Then perhabs i should have said "designed in china". Because, you see, china always strive for indigenous produts. Embargos by both US and EU demonstrate this. I dont believe that china choose this engine because it wanted (due to cost or something) but rather because it didnt have anything better. Can you say the same about the US?

Building a foreign engine under licence is one thing. But technology keeps getting dated. If china shipbuilding industry wants to move forward, it will have to, either buy the licence to build another foreign engine, or develop their own engine.

The problema of rely on foreign tech, is that one day they can say: i wont sell to you anymore (the produt or the licence)

Kroko. Even bd Popeye liked my post. I suggest you do some research first before you post.

We all know now that USA use the same engine on its SA class LPD and I am sure USA has no problem producing 100% of the parts of that engine demosticly. Same can be said about China. As long as China can produce 100% of the parts at home then the west can not do anything about it !!

Remember the engine on 071 and SA class LPD are designed 40 years ago, its license are expired a lot time ago and everyone can legally reverse enginer it !

I am sure both USA and China had done it already !

So what is your point ? What is the point of wasting a bunch of money designing a new one when you already have it there??

Oh, BTW, your "proud country" Russia can not even produce LDP and ended up importing LHD from France !

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Then perhabs i should have said "designed in china". Because, you see, china always strive for indigenous produts. Embargos by both US and EU demonstrate this. I dont believe that china choose this engine because it wanted (due to cost or something) but rather because it didnt have anything better. Can you say the same about the US?

Building a foreign engine under licence is one thing. But technology keeps getting dated. If china shipbuilding industry wants to move forward, it will have to, either buy the licence to build another foreign engine, or develop their own engine.

The problema of rely on foreign tech, is that one day they can say: i wont sell to you anymore (the produt or the licence)

There are a couple of problems with what you've said.

You assume that license producing foreign products indigenously means the indigenous industry will never be able to produce future products themselves. It's a heavy assumption, considering China always tends to learn and improve on the products they license produce and apply that knowledge onto future indigenous products.

Also, I'm not sure about the details of most license production, but I'm pretty sure the chinese industry will be able to produce engines they've been license producing for a while even with an embargo in place, if we go by the track record of other products like helicopters or naval guns or whatever.

So there's no problem with license production, so long as embargoes do not affect production heavily, as it not only allows the indigenous industry to learn from foreign products and buttress their own R and D for future products, but also to put out a good performing product that the indigenous industry either cannot produce, or is not worth reinventing the wheel to produce.

It would be nice if a country can produce everythign they need themselves, but problem is someone else out there may do it better than do. Hell, that's the reason trade of any sort exists at all. So long as China is self reliant on most important dimensions of its military, or can at least secure a good source of importing the products they cannot build, I don't see the problem.

 

[Preux]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Kroko. Even bd Popeye liked my post. I suggest you do some research first before you post.

We all know now that USA use the same engine on its SA class LPD and I am sure USA has no problem producing 100% of the parts of that engine demosticly. Same can be said about China. As long as China can produce 100% of the parts at home then the west can not do anything about it !!

Remember the engine on 071 and SA class LPD are designed 40 years ago, its license are expired a lot time ago and everyone can legally reverse enginer it !

I am sure both USA and China had done it already !

So what is your point ? What is the point of wasting a bunch of money designing a new one when you already have it there??

Oh, BTW, your "proud country" Russia can not even produce LDP and ended up importing LHD from France !

You can cut out your country-bashing remarks now and stick to the topic.

Anyway, on marine diesels, they are almost always licence-built locally, it simply isn't economical to build them elsewhere and ship them over. Some parts may be imported by that's usually manageable. China doesn't seem to have too much problem with diesel engines marine or land-based, see Shancai for example.

 

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[steve_rolfe]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

4th type 071
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For the last year or so, people have been saying are the PLAN building a 4th type 071.

Well.........in response most have said NO.......but modules for a newer version had alledgedly been observed.

Even Wikipedia (i know its not the be all and end all of all knowledge.....but the info there is usually bang upto date) had a question mark against the build of a 4th type 071.

But......now out of the blue.....there is a listing for a 4th in class of this ship type, details are as follows:-

Name of vessel:-

Taihang Shan

Launched:-

17th January 2012 at HD shipyard

Commissioning:-

expected late 2013.

Now if this is correct, what i want to know is.........why there are apparently no images of this ship?

How come no one noticed the launch of this vessel?

Reading a US DOD report, suggested that a 4th type 071 was launched in Jan 2012.

A recent video on HD shipyard said a type 071 was under construction

Its May 2013 now..........whats going on here?????????????