071 LPD thread

Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Well, at this point I think it is almost certainly another Type 071 LPD, and it may well be an improved class, say a Type 071A or some such.

On another point of interest to this thread, earlier on the PLAN Carrier threadwe had a discussion about helos for the Carrier and other PLAN vessels (Frigates and Destroyers). The question was raised whether a PLAN Type 054A could carry a SH-60 helo.

I was asked if I would use my 1/350 scale models to check it out (I also created a seperate thread for it here: Type054A & SH-60 Helos)..

It just so happens in my own HP Shipyard annex in Idaho, I am building two Type 054A FFGs in 1/350 scale now as escorts to my PLAN CV-16 Liaoning and to accompany the DDG-171, Haikou I have already built. So I took a 1/350 scale SH-60 and played with it:

Here's the results. 1st, will it fit on the flight deck with its rotors operating:


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Next, would the SH-60 fit into the hanger? As you can see, with the rear aielron in the horizontal pistion, it is a no go. But once folded, watch what happens.


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Finally, would it fit all the way into the hangar, or be too long. Here's the answer to that...and it is a yes too.


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So, yes, physically a SH-60 will fit onto and into a Type 054A Frigate. If the hangar on the Type 052C is large enough, it would fit there too. Clearly, it could fit and operate off the carrier.

Now, the question is, will some of those twenty-four S-70 helos (the export version of the UH-60 Blackhawk, which is the Army version of the SH-60 Seahawk) that China purchased be refitted for naval work...or, has the PLAN been working on building their own helo from those exampes they have?
 
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Mysterre

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

China's copy of the S-70 is apparently named "Z-20" and has been in development for 10+ years.
 

FORBIN

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The first Type 071 Kunlun Shan 998, here : 21°13'59.05"N110°25'29.60"E
SSF/Zhanjiang/6 amphibious flotilla
 

Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

China's copy of the S-70 is apparently named "Z-20" and has been in development for 10+ years.
It will be a difficult helo for them to replicate. They have 24 of them and they are used for their abilites to operate at high altitudes. They even got the larger more powerful engines for them. I was surprised at the time that the sale went through because of the obvious dual use nature of the technology.

But they have them, and navalizing a squadron of them would benefit the PLAN if they can afford to be without 6 or so of them.

Z-20.jpg

We'll see if the Z-20 project ever bears fruit.
 
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Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It will be a difficult helo for them to replicate. They have 24 of them and they are used for their abilites to operate at high altitudes. They even got the larger more powerful engines for them. I was surprised at the time that the sale went through because of the obvious dual use nature of the technology.

But they have them, and navalizing a squadron of them would benefit the PLAN if they can afford to be without 6 or so of them.

Are you suggesting for them to navalize/covert 6 of the existing S-70Cs? Because those airframes are far too old to be rebuilt into sino-seahawks.

Z-20.jpg

We'll see if the Z-20 project ever bears fruit.

Supposedly the first prototype rolled off the line end of last year, we'll see soon enough what it looks like.

I don't think copying the S-70C will be very difficult (obviously it will be modernized, possibly modified to the PLA's own specs -- for instance the model in the pic looks stretched and has a five bladed rotor instead of blackhawk's four), considering CHAIC have built numerous other types of choppers and developed the Z-10 themselves.
As always, the bottleneck will be engines. They need WZ-16 to match current military S-70 versions in service around the world.
 

FORBIN

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Well, at this point I think it is almost certainly another Type 071 LPD, and it may well be an improved class, say a Type 071A or some such.

On another point of interest to this thread, earlier on the PLAN Carrier threadwe had a discussion about helos for the Carrier and other PLAN vessels (Frigates and Destroyers). The question was raised whether a PLAN Type 054A could carry a SH-60 helo.

I was asked if I would use my 1/350 scale models to check it out (I also created a seperate thread for it here: Type054A & SH-60 Helos)..

It just so happens in my own HP Shipyard annex in Idaho, I am building two Type 054A FFGs in 1/350 scale now as escorts to my PLAN CV-16 Liaoning and to accompany the DDG-171, Haikou I have already built. So I took a 1/350 scale SH-60 and played with it:

Here's the results. 1st, will it fit on the flight deck with its rotors operating:


054A-sh60-01.jpg



Next, would the SH-60 fit into the hanger? As you can see, with the rear aielron in the horizontal pistion, it is a no go. But once folded, watch what happens.

Finally, would it fit all the way into the hangar, or be too long. Here's the answer to that...and it is a yes too.

So, yes, physically a SH-60 will fit onto and into a Type 054A Frigate. If the hangar on the Type 052C is large enough, it would fit there too. Clearly, it could fit and operate off the carrier.

Now, the question is, will some of those twenty-four S-70 helos (the export version of the UH-60 Blackhawk, which is the Army version of the SH-60 Seahawk) that China purchased be refitted for naval work...or, has the PLAN been working on building their own helo from those exampes they have?

Damn ! Jeff you build almost faster that Chinese shipyards !:)
 

Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Damn ! Jeff you build almost faster that Chinese shipyards !:)
I really wish someone would come out with a 1/350 scale Type 071 kit. I expect Trumpeter will at some point since a 1/350 scale San Antopnio class came out by Gallery/Acadamy and sold like hot cakes.

As it is, in the past year my "shipyard" has produced or is producing all of the following:

1 - PLAN CV16 Liaoning
1 - PLAN DDG-171, Haikou
1 - US SSGN-726, USS Ohio
1 - US SSN-571, USS Nautilus
1 - CVN-65, USS Enterprise
1 - US DDG-82, USS Lassen
2 - PLAN Type 054A, FFG-570 and FFG-530

This next year, if I have the time, I hope to build:

1 - US CG-52, USS Bunker Hill
1 - US SSN-775, USS Texas
1 - PLAN DDG-139, Ningbo
2 - US LCS, LCS-1 & LCS-2
1 - PLAN SSN-405, Changzhang5
1 - PLAN DDG-168, Gunagzhou
1 - US DDG-88, USS Preble
1 - US LHD-7, USS Iwo Jima
1 - US LHD-25, USS Sommerset
1 - UK Astute, HMS Astute S120
2 - UK Daring, DDG-32 & DDG-35
2 - UK Duke, FFG-78 & FFG-81
1 - UK Invincible, HMS Illustrious R06

That will be very ambitious. If I finish those US and PLAN vessels listed I will be happy, and then do the UK CSG and the French CSG the following year, and then the Russian CSG and the Japanese CSG the year after. At that point I will have a comple US Navy CSG and ARG, a complete PLAN CSG, a complete UK CSG, a complete French CSG, a complete Russian CGS, and a complete Japanese CSG comprosing 38 modern vessels.

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For the purposes opf this thread, I really want to see a Type 071 LPD model so I can buy a couple of them and then also form a PLAN ARG.
 
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Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The wrong number :)
Thanks...I fixed it. Dang typos!

steve-rolfe said:
Have you seen this page 'Jeff'?
Thanks, yes Steve, I have. It's the wrong scale for me. That's a 1/700 scale kit and a good one (also expensive because it is resin...but that would not stop me if it was a 1/350 scale vessel).

Here's a page for the 1/350 Scale USS New York by Academy Models that I will build as the USS Sommerset, LPD-25.

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That's the size/scale vessels I build.
 
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