056 class FFL/corvette

ChinaGuy said:

According to western propaganda, China's communist economic policies will overtake the US capitalist policies in 2017 in terms of GDP. This is what communist scientific rational planning can do. As for the relevance of this fact to the thread, we will likely to see plenty more new iterations of 056 by 2017 because of increased funds available to the PLAN.

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What has this got to do with Type 056? And no one in the world fears Chinese communism it's the capitalism they are afraid of, how you can say that communism got China where it is is beyond me, you can't judge a country by the ideology of last 60 years and ignore the other 5,000 years, Chinese people in Singapore and Taiwan became rich decades ago communism kept mainland China behind by decades But also made what it is today

China central government has the responisbility to stop any chaos occurring like cultural revolution, civil war, famine etc inside China, Tiananmen square came close again but CCP knows what it's doing and whatever they do is right infact I wish more countrys had this style of government like Pakistan we would also been much more powerful

Geographer said:

China abandoned communist economic policies after Mao's death.

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You seem to think Moa is the source of all communism. This is not valid. Communist economics is anything that the communists decide to employ. We have communists in China, and their economics is based on scientific rational thinking.

ChinaGuy said:

You are not being very scientific and rational. The fact that the image of Moa appears on the Chinese currency and on Tianmen says the 'old' china is same as the 'new china'. If it wasn't for Moa's sacrifices, achievements, and rational thinking in building China from nothing, we wouldn't have ships like the 056. In contrast, given the same genetic base, what has the clowns in Taiwan built with their so called freedom, capitalism and American technology ?

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Mao did many things for China, both good and bad. But the truth is he was far from scientific from this decision making. Today's China economic success have nothing to do with Mao's economic policy.

What? No one mention about this guy: DENG XIAOPING? He did change China's economic policy in the late 1970s and they never looked back since then.

jackliu said:

Today's China economic success have nothing to do with Mao's economic policy.

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True. Mao is dead. It's a bit difficult for him to to form economic policies for today when he's dead. But he provided the basis and valuable historic lessons for today's China, for which most Chinese are grateful.

But, it should be quite scientific and rational to believe that, without Mao and his rational thinking (unless, of course, you believe irrational thinking can win wars and build nations), china wouldn't be where it is today building it's own warships like the 056. It would probably remain a colony of the US in anything but name.

Communist economics is anything that the communists decide to employ.

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That's a logical fallacy skin to the "No true Scotsman" ploy. Communism loses its meaning if it has no identity other than what people who belong to a communist party call it. North Korea, Cuban, Italian and Chinese communists all have different economic ideas, so which is the true communism? According to the quoted statement, they would all be true communist economic policies despite being in contradiction to each other.

Geographer said:

That's a logical fallacy skin to the "No true Scotsman" ploy. Communism loses its meaning if it has identity other than what people who belong to a communist party call it. North Korea, Cuban, Italian and Chinese communists all have different economic ideas, so which is the true communism? According to the quoted statement, they would all be true communist economic policies despite being in contradiction to each other.

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The same can be say about what is a true democracy? There are so many changes that went on through out the history of the US that democracy never did stick to it's Greek origin meaning.

Geographer said:

so which is the true communism?

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The one most successful will be the true communism as it will be adopted by the rest. The Chinese communism is very much a dead cert, good enough for me to tell you to bet on it. Go buy some shares in the shipyard that is building the 056, they seem remarkably efficient and likely to be highly profitable. From photo's here, I hardly ever see workers on those ships. Yet those are being churned out like dumplings.

Alright perhaps one more about the definition of communism and lets get back to the subject about the Type 056 or else moderators will get us for it.

ChinaGuy said:

You seem to think Moa is the source of all communism. This is not valid. Communist economics is anything that the communists decide to employ. We have communists in China, and their economics is based on scientific rational thinking.

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Sorry, that is just flat out wrong. That's the same as saying French fries are whatever the French decide to put in the deep fryer... Go look on Wikipedia what communist economics is.

Equation said:

The same can be say about what is a true democracy? There are so many changes that went on through out the history of the US that democracy never did stick to it's Greek origin meaning.

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True communism and true democracy have never truly existed. But just because North Korea is the, "Democratic People's Republic of Korea," does it make it a democracy by any standards? Similarly, the Chinese Communist Party's economic policies are not communist just because the term, "Communist," appears in the name.