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kickars

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Why can't the 056s replace the earlier and smaller Jianghus? Displacement wise, they are not that far apart. Keep in mind with modern weapons systems, miniaturization has helped offset some of the displacement. Automation has reduced the need for crew and the space needed for them so that further negates displacement. When the 054s were developed, they grew in capability and endurance but that left a glaring hole in the lineup, there is still a need for a basic littoral vessel once the Jianghus get phased out. Weapons complement, they look like they have a similar roster, again 056 having modern versions of each weapon's system.
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Your logic does make sense in some ways. But, that's not how 056s are going to be used by PLAN. The future (and current) PLAN structure will be totally different from the past. 054As do not replace 051s. Yes, even though 056 is about half the size of Jianghu, it is more advanced in every way. However, it has a different roll to play in modern PLAN. And in the sea size does matter. You can check out the picture of 056 and 054A together and picture of 054A and Jianghu together to see how small 056 really is. The fact that the first few 056s will be placed in Hongkong says it all.

From western point of view, Jianghus are 'basic littoral vessel'. But for PLAN they were 'modern' frigates which they could barely afford at that time. The glaring hole in the lineup so many military fans talk about isn't really there from PLAN's point of view. That hole you are talking about is kind of ship like 037 which PLAN is still using. Yes, 037s are too far away in the line up from 054As. That's because 054As are the latest for PLAN in that cagetory. And 037s have not been placed, yet. Well, if you can wait another couple of months, 056s will soon replace 037s. Then, there won't be any 'holes' left...

As I said I do see the reason why people think 054As could replace 051s. And 056s could also replace Jianghus. For instance, if PN buys 056s, their 056s would have the same roll as PLAN's Jianghus in the past.

So, if you are talking about spec sheets (or other smaller developing countries), then 056s could be the replacement for all those Jianghus. But, if we are talking about PLAN, 056s are not the replacement for Jianghus.
 
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no_name

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If that is a recent pic from HD, I'd say yes, it looks like they are. Time will tell.

It appears that there are more components laying around at HP too so maybe they will start another there once their first is launched too. My guess is that they can build these very rapidly if they want, perhaps on the order of 4-6 a year in those two yards.

But there are rumors that the PLAN may build them at at least two other, if not more, yards as well. Souu you may end up seeing 8-10 a year, which means in five to six years they have all fifty of them built.
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Jeff, I think if you look on the lower right of the pic there's the first type 056 that is launched into the water. So this pic is very recent and the other half completed hull most likely is the second type 056
 
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kickars said:
Your logic does make sense in some ways. But, that's not how 056s are going to be used by PLAN. The future (and current) PLAN structure will be totally different from the past. 054As do not replace 051s. Yes, even though 056 is about half the size of Jianghu, it is more advanced in every way. However, it has a different roll to play in modern PLAN. And in the sea size does matter. You can check out the picture of 056 and 054A together and picture of 054A and Jianghu together to see how small 056 really is. The fact that the first few 056s will be placed in Hongkong says it all.

From western point of view, Jianghus are 'basic littoral vessel'. But for PLAN they were 'modern' frigates which they could barely afford at that time. The glaring hole in the lineup so many military fans talk about isn't really there from PLAN's point of view. That hole you are talking about is kind of ship like 037 which PLAN is still using. Yes, 037s are too far away in the line up from 054As. That's because 054As are the latest for PLAN in that cagetory. And 037s have not been placed, yet. Well, if you can wait another couple of months, 056s will soon replace 037s. Then, there won't be any 'holes' left...

As I said I do see the reason why people think 054As could replace 051s. And 056s could also replace Jianghus. For instance, if PN buys 056s, their 056s would have the same roll as PLAN's Jianghus in the past.

So, if you are talking about spec sheets (or other smaller developing countries), then 056s could be the replacement for all those Jianghus. But, if we are talking about PLAN, 056s are not the replacement for Jianghus.
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I think perhaps another poster may have mentioned 054s replacing 051s (Ludas) but I can see that correlation. 051B, 051C, 052, 052Bs seemed to be experimentation/hybrids/learning before finally settling on 052Cs for serial production. So the 052Cs would be something totally new for PLAN, not a replacement for anything.

As you say, Jianghus were at one point modern frigates for PLAN. But none of those frigates ever ventured far from home waters. As PLAN successfully grew, Jianghus have become basic littoral vessels to PLAN today. It's not an insult but rather a compliment. At this point, I do see 056s replacing Jianghus and specifically 037 sub chasers if they build versions of 056 with more ASW capability. If the first 056s replace the 037 missile boats in HK, it would be more of an upgrade to the HK flotilla rather than just a mere replacement in my book.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider as replacements for Jianghus, the 054s? I would tend to think that was the original intent but the development of the 054 took it so far beyond the Jianghu class which is why the 056 came into being.
 
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Jeff, I think if you look on the lower right of the pic there's the first type 056 that is launched into the water. So this pic is very recent and the other half completed hull most likely is the second type 056
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I should have seen that...it is so obvious.

Of course, then, that is, IMHO, definitely a second one already building in HD.

I believe, as I stated, that we will see a second one build pretty quickly in HP too. In 3 motnhs (or less in HD it seems) we'll see a 3rd and 4th Type 056 launched.
 
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Why not build a ship as good looking as the LCS USS Independece. If I ever get super rich, I'll literally build a yacht identical to that ship.
 
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Jeff Head said:
I should have seen that...it is so obvious.

Of course, then, that is, IMHO, definitely a second one already building in HD.

I believe, as I stated, that we will see a second one build pretty quickly in HP too. In 3 motnhs (or less in HD it seems) we'll see a 3rd and 4th Type 056 launched.
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There you go. I hope this will solve your puzzle.

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hmmwv

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Jeff Head said:
I should have seen that...it is so obvious.

Of course, then, that is, IMHO, definitely a second one already building in HD.

I believe, as I stated, that we will see a second one build pretty quickly in HP too. In 3 motnhs (or less in HD it seems) we'll see a 3rd and 4th Type 056 launched.
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Yes HD started on its hull #2 (overall #3) shortly after hull #1, HP cannot do this due to facility restriction, therefore they are finishing up the modules' interior as much as possible prior to assembly. Once HP #1 (overall #2) is launched you'll see it's a much more complete product than HD #1, which doesn't even have windows cut out (well for good reason because it uses a slipway).

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joshuatree said:
I already think the 037 missile boats have been effectively replaced by the 022s. When comparing weapons complement, the 022s simply have modern equivalents of the 037 missile boat weapons complement. I think only the 037 sub chasers are the ones still needing a successor at this point.




Why can't the 056s replace the earlier and smaller Jianghus? Displacement wise, they are not that far apart. Keep in mind with modern weapons systems, miniaturization has helped offset some of the displacement. Automation has reduced the need for crew and the space needed for them so that further negates displacement. When the 054s were developed, they grew in capability and endurance but that left a glaring hole in the lineup, there is still a need for a basic littoral vessel once the Jianghus get phased out. Weapons complement, they look like they have a similar roster, again 056 having modern versions of each weapon's system.

Is it just me or does the ship's twin exhaust ducts look "unfinished"? Like as if they're missing some cosmetic panel that would make it look more flushed with the rest of the vessel?

Maybe the 056As will simply be a version that's more oriented to sub hunting to replace the 037 sub chasers.
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I believe 022s replaced 021s at almost 1:1 ratio, 056 will replace 037 at probably 1:3 ratio, and Jiangweis and 054s are replacing Jianghus at close to 1:1 ratio.
 
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A couple of thoughts. It's amazing how large the AK-176M looks on this ship. Really shows how small it is. I'm guessing 1000 ton in standard displacement. I suppose they are going to put some AShM cannisters on this ship, but it remains to be seen for which AShM. The HQ-10 missile looks like the type with 24 missiles and no relauncher.

I could be completely off here, but that looks to be two little hangars for S-100 size UAV? Also wondering if they are going to put any kind TAS on this ship in the future. It looks to have the space for it.

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If we compare this to K-130 class
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It's actually quite a bit smaller, but otherwise quite comparable. Both ships look to have hangars for 2 S-100 UAVs. The main gun is 76 mm in both cases and probably will both have 4 AShMs (if we believe the model). Type 056 will have one less RAM like cIWS than K-130. I'd imagine it would have smaller crew than K-130 and also have less range. Either way, a nice little ship that should fill up the littoral waters.
 
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