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franco-russe

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The Ukraine has announced that they have sold the modified (digitalised) VDS. It is produced at Lugansk.

At the same, 054A HD9 and 056 HD5 make their appearance with identical new stern openings.

The obvious conclusion is that these developments are related.
 
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The Ukraine has announced that they have sold the modified (digitalised) VDS. It is produced at Lugansk.

At the same, 054A HD9 and 056 HD5 make their appearance with identical new stern openings.

The obvious conclusion is that these developments are related.

or it could just be that China has their own internal project for VDS for years and that they are purchasing Ukrainian ones to study and copy the parts it likes. Which would be more in line with all the other new subsystems we have seen in PLAN surface ships. I would imagine something like this would have been started a long time ago.

And where is the news that Ukraine sold it to China? Sounds like something that would be good for the rest of us to read.
 
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The Ukraine has announced that they have sold the modified (digitalised) VDS. It is produced at Lugansk.

At the same, 054A HD9 and 056 HD5 make their appearance with identical new stern openings.

The obvious conclusion is that these developments are related.

I think all 052Ds also have the large stern opening.

Regardless of whether the new VDS for these ships are indigenous or Ukrainian, the fact that they are being equipped with them is good news.
I think the 054A, 052D, and some 056s should all still retain their existing TAS (they will all retain their vow sonars obviously). Add on a VDS and it's a nice all round ASW sensor suite (even if we don't know how capable they are)
I believe the USN intends to fit LCS with a VDS in addition to a TAS system as well.
 

Cheng

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I never thought of that Jeff but if you set up a program as proposed with a thousand fishing boats you would be able to automate a large part of the recording and mimicking of the 056's. A thousand boat program might be as expensive as twice a hundred boat program. And routing the decoys can also be automated. If a submarine hears ten identical ships around it and knows only one is dangerous, but not which one, what should it do?
I'm not convinced it will be useful, but technology is always improving so who knows?

It's amazing what computers can do these days.

For example, a $100 smartphone has more signal processing power than an F-22.

A home-built server costing $50000 can store more acoustic signatures in its database, than the Virginia class nuclear submarine.

And China has a lot of very good signal/software engineers.
 

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If this big hole in the stern betokens a new advanced sonar, then I am surprised the new sonar didn't make it's first appearence in a new, high end, ocean going fleet escort, but instead appeared in a coastal corvette.

052Ds all have this hole, as does 054A HD9, so it actually has made its appearance in a new, high end, ocean going fleet escort lol.

I think that speaks volumes more about how capable 056s ASW sensor suite is meant to be, more than anything. It appears to have the same bow sonar as 054A, some of the later 056s we've seen in service have the hole for TAS which all 054/As, 052C/Ds etc have, and now we see that 056 will seemingly boast the same VDS as 054A and 052D, giving it the same main sonars of 054A HD9! Not bad for a ship shy of 1500 tons.
 

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I never thought of that Jeff but if you set up a program as proposed with a thousand fishing boats you would be able to automate a large part of the recording and mimicking of the 056's. A thousand boat program might be as expensive as twice a hundred boat program. And routing the decoys can also be automated. If a submarine hears ten identical ships around it and knows only one is dangerous, but not which one, what should it do?
I'm not convinced it will be useful, but technology is always improving so who knows?

If you ever want to utilize fishing trawlers as anti-submarine naval auxiliaries, it's more efficient and economical to use them as ad-hoc "area denial" thru deployment of trawler nets, using them as decoys to attempt to fool hostile subs will simply a fool's errand, nothing more.

Also, acoustic signature factors in a lot of things, including hull size, engine's type and age and conditions, the screws it uses; most Chinese fishing trawlers are about the size of the 037 series boats or the 032 series, 056 is almost twice their length, to say the very least.

It's a matter of physics for me.

If your science teacher and economics teacher heard of your crackpot idea, even just a tenth of it, they will be vomiting blood immediately and might die 24 hours later due to sheer guilt and a sense of failure. If I forwarded your "idea" on Facebook you'll be the laughing stock of the year, generate tons of "like" for me at your expense.

It's not just science that says its improbable, the economic aspects of it makes it completely unworthy - for all the effort getting wasted on it, might be better spent on building more 056 and expand the helicopter fleet, the latter is the weakest link in PLAN's arsenal.
 
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or it could just be that China has their own internal project for VDS for years and that they are purchasing Ukrainian ones to study and copy the parts it likes. Which would be more in line with all the other new subsystems we have seen in PLAN surface ships. I would imagine something like this would have been started a long time ago.

And where is the news that Ukraine sold it to China? Sounds like something that would be good for the rest of us to read.

It was somewhat anecdotal. On CDF someone wrote that Ukraine had announced they sold a new and powerful sonar to China... and it was inferred that it was probably a new bronza me lugan.
 

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So they have 3 versions of 056 then.

1. Basic version.
2. Basic version with raised bridge ceiling but no stern opening for VDS.
3. ASW version with raised bridge ceiling and stern opening for VDS.

Looks like they are improving/modifying as they go on building 056 series.

Uh, has anyone actually seen pictures of the so-called new 'raised bridge' 056 frigate from a different perspective?

All the pictures I've seen are from the stern of the vessel.

Is it possible that what you believe to be a 'raised bridge' is actually just a temporary structure that the shipbuilder needs to finish work on her?
 

Jeff Head

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Uh, has anyone actually seen pictures of the so-called new 'raised bridge' 056 frigate from a different perspective?

All the pictures I've seen are from the stern of the vessel.

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chuck731

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Frankly, the "new" bridge look to be exactly the same height as the old bridge to me. Both main bridges structures are exactly 2 decks high, with navigation bridge windows at the second deck level.

BTW, who pixelated the underwater hull?
 
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