056 class FFL/corvette

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chuck731

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Chuck, you and I boith no that a good Drill Seargent can and will relieve spoiled children of their dispositions fairly quickly...or wash them out. That's been going on for as long as there have been armies.

If the PLA has a good "boot camp" training program (and with their history I know absolutely that they do) then what you are speaking of will be a non-issue at the PLA "adjusts" more than enough individuals who pass through their training into the proper military discipline to man their needs.

They do it ALL the time here in the US, where there are plenty of Gen X and the "Me" generation kids who receive similar transistions.

Undoubtedly. But if the fact that 60% of the recruitment pool washes out due to physical inadaquacies poses a note worthy problem, then the fact that wash out rate would increase due to social and demographic factors would pose an note worthy problem as well.
 

Equation

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Undoubtedly. But if the fact that 60% of the recruitment pool washes out due to physical inadaquacies poses a note worthy problem, then the fact that wash out rate would increase due to social and demographic factors would pose an note worthy problem as well.

Social and demographics will always change through time, as long as the standard and toughness does NOT change too much physically and mentally for the military, than it does not matter the number of recruitment pool washed out. There will always be some new recruits out there to replace them. You can't expect society to run a certain way to prepare younger generations for war or military lifestyle all the time, otherwise the other professions will suffer as well.
 

plawolf

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Undoubtedly. But if the fact that 60% of the recruitment pool washes out due to physical inadaquacies poses a note worthy problem, then the fact that wash out rate would increase due to social and demographic factors would pose an note worthy problem as well.

Your crude attempt to silence your critics by lauding your own experiences cuts both ways. If you think it is a valid point to insist people who have not served in the military are categorically unqualified to speak on military affairs, then by the same logical, anyone who isn't Chinese, or at the very least spent prolonged periods living in mainland China and immersing themselves in Chinese culture are unqualified to speak about Chinese matters. Its all clearly bull, so how about we cut all the empty posturing and actually just judge everyone's arguments on their merits instead of playing petty childish games?

Please read what the actual article said before jumping on your soap box about social and demographics you evidently have little to no first hand exposure or understanding off. The 60% rejection rate was with university graduates, which at present only account for 10% of the total recruitment pool, and those rejection rates are based entirely on the unhealthy lifestyle many college kids lead, which resulted in them not meeting the physical requirements for military service rather than anything about their psychology or attitude. And if you had any real insight into how fierce the competition for college places are in China and how hard those kids had to work to get in, you would not be peddling this 'little empire' nonsense.

If anything, the issue with physical suitability is largely down to how hard those kids have been working to earn their university places which resulted in poor eyesight from too much reading and poor physical condition from a lack of time to do proper exercise.

The article mentions absolutely nothing about attitude or psychology being an issue, that is something you introduced entirely by yourself based on crude, outdated, patently inaccurate gross generalisations which you applied with absolutely zero evidence to support them in this context, and it speak far more about your own attitude and motivation than anything useful about PLA recruits.
 

chuck731

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Heaven help the China, let alone its military if most of the current generation is as argumentative, self righteous, and unable to absorb displeasing or contrary points of view as you.
 
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Jeff Head

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Guys...I hear Darth Vader coming. Pretty soon he will use the SD Force on this thread. This discussion on PLA recruitment has gotten grossly off topic and is now getting argumentative and personal.

Best to get back into the clear air of simply looking at the Type 056 corvette/patrol vessel/light frigate on its merits.

So let's start with these two photos:


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I really like the way the PLAN has enclosed te engine exhausts ere, allowing them to be less of a thermal issue fron the sides. This picture also shows very well the four ASMs and the 30mm auto cannons which exist on each side.


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This pic really shows the FL-3000N eight cell HQ-10 defensive missile installation. I believe other PLAN vessels could benefit from a similar installation, like the initial Type 054s, or the Type 052.
 
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joshuatree

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I don't know how readily available hot water is onboard a military vessel but wouldn't it be two birds with one stone if the ship's water supply ran in exchange pipes with the exhaust inside that stack to further reduce heat signatures and yet increase energy efficiency by pre-warming water that is meant for the hot side of a faucet?
 

Blitzo

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I'd like to see a pair of these 30mm RWS mounts on every new large PLAN surface combatant developed. Good for anti piracy, and also good for low sitting asymmetrical threats. USN has mounted a pair of similar RWSs upon their ticos I think, and RN have them on excellent high sitting positions on their Type 45s too.

Alas, it appears 052D won't be equipped with RWS, and though it may never have to face such threats, it is better to be safe than sorry.
 

chuck731

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I don't know how readily available hot water is onboard a military vessel but wouldn't it be two birds with one stone if the ship's water supply ran in exchange pipes with the exhaust inside that stack to further reduce heat signatures and yet increase energy efficiency by pre-warming water that is meant for the hot side of a faucet?

The energy needed to keep the ship lit and heated or air conditioned, the bilge and ballast pumps going, and the crew's food cooked and shower hot is call hotel load.

When a gas turbine powers warship is underway, twice as much energy comes out as heat in the exhaust stacks as sent through the propeller to propel the ship. So the heat energy released with engine exhaust absolutely dwarf the energy needed to support hotel load. Using engine exhaust to power hotel load won't make an appreciable dent in the thermal signature at the stack. But It probably will make the ship significantly more complicated and maintenance intensive, however.
 
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