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Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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plawolf said:
With regards to recruitment, I think the PLAN has started to grasp the value of the 'wow' factor, which may explain the relative openness of the Liaoning programme, and that in turn has been a massive PR success for the PLAN judging by the online reaction. Its kinda like China's version of the Top Gun effect.

The job market in China is pretty tough at present, and likely to get more so because of the over-investment in university places over recent years coupled with the global slowdown. So the PLAN may become a viable and even desirable career path for many highly educated young Chinese compared with unemployment or even a manual factory job.
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That is true over the last decade China has expanded the tertiary education and quadrupled the student intake. Every year roughly 6 million new graduate coming to the job market. The competition for job is fierce. Slowing economy and more competition make joining PLA an attractive proposition for young Chinese, Add to that better facilities and cheap housing, cheap mortgage well if you want to marry you need those!

But don't forget the ongoing reform of Military personnel starting with reintroduction of NCO in 86 and another reform in 2009 to expand even further the NCO program.

The idea that PLA is having problem with personnel is nothing but a myth. Last count there are 200,000 graduate in the rank of PLA out of 2.5 million armed personnel that is roughly 10%

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Over the years, the number of NCOs in the PLA has increased from more than 100,000 to the current 800,000. NCOs have become the major force filling PLA’s specialized technician posts. They serve in key departments such as missiles, communications, radar, ships and aviation. Senior NCOs hold important posts needing command of complex technology. In 2008, the names of NCOs first appeared on the ~ list of people who were honored with the “Special government allowance” approved by the State Council. The four NCOs were: Class-6 NCO Zhu Guiquan, a pilot of Ship 112 of the North China Sea Fleet; Class-5 NCO Zhang Xinyuan, who served in the air force; Class-5 NCO Guo Yafei, a squad leader of the PLA Second Artillery corps; and Class-5 NCO Zong Daohui, a technician who remote-controlled unmanned air reconnaissance vehicles for the Guangzhou Military Area Command. Such Important awards showed NCOs were playing an increasingly important role in the PLA.

The expansion of NCO numbers raises their strength as the backbone of the PLA’s grassroots personnel, which helps guarantee the training and management of the soldiers and provides technical support. Furthermore, NOCs are leading the way in many difficult and perilous tasks.

Talented NOC technicians laid the foundation of PLA’s combat strength. Each year, 15 percent of NCOs undergo training. More than 90 percent of the NCOs have undergone systematic training, gradually upgrading the armed forces’ ability to carry out combat missions. With a growing talent pool, the overall quality of PLA has gradually improved.

Talents with management, operational, training and repair expertise, and a great range of knowledge can be easily found in the NCO corps, playing important roles in tasks, including military preparedness, disaster relief, anti-terrorism operations, as well as international peacekeeping activities.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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plawolf said:
The job market in China is pretty tough at present, and likely to get more so because of the over-investment in university places over recent years coupled with the global slowdown. So the PLAN may become a viable and even desirable career path for many highly educated young Chinese compared with unemployment or even a manual factory job.
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Indeed, even with a conscription law in effect not every able-bodied man actually get drafted, with such a huge population base the PLA can be picky. If CCTV newsreels are reference to go by, selections of candidates at colleges and universities are hotly contested due to job security and welfare benefits.
 
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chuck731

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I don't think recruitment per se will be the bottleneck. However, it seem highly likely to me the real bottleneck would be the size of highly trained and experienced cadre of officers and NCOs. You can train recruits only so much in big classes at naval technical schools. Real proficiency is still achieved in an mentor/apprentice setting in real service environments. With a cadre of a certain size, you can only turn out so many efficient seamen, technicians, and junior officers each year. You can push all you want, but quality of personnel suffers if you try to expand too fast.
 
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chuck731

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Hendrik_2000 said:
That is true over the last decade China has expanded the tertiary education and quadrupled the student intake. Every year roughly 6 million new graduate coming to the job market. The competition for job is fierce. Slowing economy and more competition make joining PLA an attractive proposition for young Chinese, Add to that better facilities and cheap housing, cheap mortgage well if you want to marry you need those!

But don't forget the ongoing reform of Military personnel starting with reintroduction of NCO in 86 and another reform in 2009 to expand even further the NCO program.

The idea that PLA is having problem with personnel is nothing but a myth. Last count there are 200,000 graduate in the rank of PLA out of 2.5 million armed personnel that is roughly 10%

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Over the years, the number of NCOs in the PLA has increased from more than 100,000 to the current 800,000. NCOs have become the major force filling PLA’s specialized technician posts. They serve in key departments such as missiles, communications, radar, ships and aviation. Senior NCOs hold important posts needing command of complex technology. In 2008, the names of NCOs first appeared on the ~ list of people who were honored with the “Special government allowance” approved by the State Council. The four NCOs were: Class-6 NCO Zhu Guiquan, a pilot of Ship 112 of the North China Sea Fleet; Class-5 NCO Zhang Xinyuan, who served in the air force; Class-5 NCO Guo Yafei, a squad leader of the PLA Second Artillery corps; and Class-5 NCO Zong Daohui, a technician who remote-controlled unmanned air reconnaissance vehicles for the Guangzhou Military Area Command. Such Important awards showed NCOs were playing an increasingly important role in the PLA.

The expansion of NCO numbers raises their strength as the backbone of the PLA’s grassroots personnel, which helps guarantee the training and management of the soldiers and provides technical support. Furthermore, NOCs are leading the way in many difficult and perilous tasks.

Talented NOC technicians laid the foundation of PLA’s combat strength. Each year, 15 percent of NCOs undergo training. More than 90 percent of the NCOs have undergone systematic training, gradually upgrading the armed forces’ ability to carry out combat missions. With a growing talent pool, the overall quality of PLA has gradually improved.

Talents with management, operational, training and repair expertise, and a great range of knowledge can be easily found in the NCO corps, playing important roles in tasks, including military preparedness, disaster relief, anti-terrorism operations, as well as international peacekeeping activities.
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You sound like a brochure for the Chinese navy.
 
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chuck731 said:
I don't think recruitment per se will be the bottleneck. However, it seem highly likely to me the real bottleneck would be the size of highly trained and experienced cadre of officers and NCOs. You can train recruits only so much in big classes at naval technical schools. Real proficiency is still achieved in an mentor/apprentice setting in real service environments. With a cadre of a certain size, you can only turn out so many efficient seamen, technicians, and junior officers each year. You can push all you want, but quality of personnel suffers if you try to expand too fast.
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Martian, welcome back to the Earth!
 
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Preux

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A.Man said:
Martian, welcome back to the Earth!
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Translation note: This is the semi-literal translation of a Chinese internet neologism meaning of slightly derogatory usage, typically employed when somebody has stated what is very obviously and long known.

A. Man: Try not to use such Chinese expressions... it confuses others.
 
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Lion

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Preux said:
Translation note: This is the semi-literal translation of a Chinese internet neologism meaning of slightly derogatory usage, typically employed when somebody has stated what is very obviously and long known.

A. Man: Try not to use such Chinese expressions... it confuses others.
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I find that verse by A.Man creative and meaningful. Lol..
 
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chuck731 said:
I don't think recruitment per se will be the bottleneck.
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Agreed. General recruitment was not the real point of the post. Recrutiment for the specific ships in question (Type 0954A, Type 052C, Type 052C, Type 056) is, and this presupposes that the recruits have the technical aptitude and skills to do the job.

chuck731 said:
However, it seem highly likely to me the real bottleneck would be the size of highly trained and experienced cadre of officers and NCOs. You can train recruits only so much in big classes at naval technical schools. Real proficiency is still achieved in an mentor/apprentice setting in real service environments. With a cadre of a certain size, you can only turn out so many efficient seamen, technicians, and junior officers each year. You can push all you want, but quality of personnel suffers if you try to expand too fast.
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Amen. You have expressed in much more detailed terms the real sentiments of my earlier post. This is precisely the point.

Recruitment and then the train of schooling, both classroom and under the tootilidge of well qualified NCOs to produce the crews that can effectively man and use these new vessels.

Translation note: This is the semi-literal translation of a Chinese internet neologism meaning of slightly derogatory usage, typically employed when somebody has stated what is very obviously and long known.
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Actually, the idiomatic expression that A. Mann translated comes out in English more than well enough to be understandable. But your point is well taken.

I spent several years in Germany back in the 1970s and then later a shorter time in the 1980s. I learned and speak fluent German.

As I was learning it, the idiom issue came up on several occassion.

For example, you cannot translate directly into German the term:

"That guy is really on the ball."

And expect a native German to really understand what you mean. Nor could you translate the German equivalent:

"Der ist Schwer auf Draht."

Back into English and expect the same. You just have to come to know these things.

If you want a funny one...and I explained this to Germans in an effort to explain the idiomatic issue...try the not too well known English idiom of hearing a "barking spider!"

When I explained to Germans what a "barking spider," actually was, they absolutely busted a gut and were almost rolling on the floor in laughter. Those I told it were talking about "Bellende Spinne," from then on! LOL!
 
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The Chinese military does not have a problem with attracting recruits. The problem is that many recruits do not pass the fitness test:
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Excess weight, shortsightedness are cited as major problems

　　Beijing's army recruitment efforts have been increasingly hampered in recent years by a decline in the physical fitness of candidates, with many being ruled unsuitable due to common complaints such as being overweight or shortsighted.

　　According to Beijing's army recruitment office, around 60 percent of college students who apply for military service fail the physical fitness exam, posing a serious problem for the recruitment of college graduates into the army.

　　Most graduates are overweight or lack physical strength due to their sedentary lifestyles, with many also suffering from poor eyesight, according to the recruitment office.

　　More than 23 percent of the applicants failed to pass the eyesight exam, while 19 percent were either obese or underweight.

　　The army's recruitment season for the capital runs from June to September, and many students see the military as a suitable employment option upon leaving higher education.


I believe the Chinese Navy has even stricter requirements to maintain a good image with its sailors:
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...the US has similar issues:
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