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kwaigonegin

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I agree with your overall analysis, just wanted to note a few points where my opinion differs.

China's Army is now fully motorized (as in all equipped with vehicles) but not mechanized (as in all equipped with armored vehicles). The level of armor protection in the majority of Chinese armored vehicles is questionable and it seems unlikely that body armor is widely available to its troops.

China's Air Force is only partially modernized through the deployment of advanced multirole fighters. Bombers, transports (as well as all sorts of specialized planes based off of transports), and helicopters of all types are still lacking in quality and quantity.

With the rapid production and deployment of the Type 056 China's Navy is being thoroughly modernized in quality with modern types across the force, but is still in the process of building up enough quantity of existing types and introducing some new types (such as CVs, LPDs, LHDs) to meet the organic growth in the country's needs for a blue water force.

Despite all the equipment modernization and media coverage of exercises it is unclear to what degree personnel, tactics, and strategy have been adjusted to make full use of the modernized equipment. It is also noteworthy that China's military has not seen combat for decades and has never seen combined arms combat.

In a self-improvement context China's military has dramatically improved capabilities, this is also true relative to its weakest potential adversaries. However when compared to its strongest potential adversaries who have continued their own military advancement, China has merely kept up with having military capabilities that are barely sufficient to deter aggression and some coercion.

Not too get too OT, but something 'cheap' like body armor or armor plating of vehicles is more a function of politics than military capabilities. I guarantee you if China were to involved in some foreign war and when way too many soldiers are coming home in bodybags, the public will DEMAND body armor and the politicians will sign off on it. Even though their form of government is authoritative it's not exactly like Mao's time. They are fairly accountable to the average citizen. Same with armor plating soft skinned vehicles. I mean for a couple of J-10s, China can probably equip entire divisions with body armor.

As their GDP increases, the average joe becomes more educated and knowledgeble and quality of life improves the average soldier's 'life value' also increases.

Gone are the days where generals will send hordes of soldiers charging machine gun nests as a viable tactic and hope their opponent will run out of bullets before they themselves run out of men.
 

joshuatree

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i believe that the 056 is specifically tailored to patrols and potential standoffs in the south china sea. by nature and armarment it does not seem suitable for any major offensive role but is adequate for establishing a credible deterrant to interference with chinese interests within the south china sea and green water zones.

the development of the 056 shows that china takes a nuanced approach when dealing with potential adversaries... well warranted as china's potential adversaries come in many shapes and sizes.

I agree with your assessment but do believe the 056 can assume a secondary role in regards to Taiwan should that scenario play out. Taiwan is well within the range of the 056 and the sheer number of them can add a decent weight to a situation there.
 

adeptitus

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I wouldn't say that the 056 is specifically tailored for any one mission. Instead, it's a modernized multi-role ship to replace older corvettes and light frigates. The 022, on the other hand, is specifically tailored to be a missile FAC and not suited for multi-role.

Another key point to the 056 is that it appears to be a very affordable ship, without expensive bells and whistles. This allows the Chinese Navy to order them in larger numbers, which is needed to patrol China's long coast and EEZ.
 

Hendrik_2000

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let's not kid ourselves. it's not just in recent years that china has "become aware" of the importance of being a maritime power, it's only in recent years that china has had the economic strength to support a strong navy, and the need to protect overseas interests related to its economy as well as the ability to project power.

countries represent their own interests, japan and china, though economically tied, have divergent interests when it comes to resources and geopolitical alliance. because china has become more influential economically and militarily, it now tries to push against the american hegemony of the seas (of which japan is a part of) to solidify its own sphere of interest. sensing that the americans are not so on top of their game as before and that japan is also having some problems, china is deliberately testing the waters with more and more audacious moves just to see what they could get away with.

at the same time, japan is stuck in economic trouble, so the right wing wins support and drums up the china threat to make the country cohesive. what this leads to is rampant militarism on both sides. (perhaps more justified on china's end considering the current balance of power/china's size)

this is great for us military fans, but the situation is dangerously reminiscent to the economic malaise/nationalistic militarism among the major powers in the 1930s. my only hope is that we are much too connected economically now, that war will be good for no one, and that the political pundits are more bark than bite.

as long as no one fires the first shot, china has the long term advantage in that its military and its economy still has alot of room for growth, and we armchair generals can continue to marvel at all the spanking new 056s and 052Ds that they put out.

It is not me who wrote those I just posted the article But you are only half right .Certainly economic play a large role. But I believe priority is even a bigger determination why only now China decide to bolster the navy.

For a long time Soviet Union is a much larger menace I would even call it a mortal danger. Being so close to the heart land of China and bristle with nuclear bomb . China has no choice but pouring money in expensive nuclear weapon and the missile that go with it. Next come the army that will take the brunt of any Soviet advances toward Manchuria. Facing 2 front war she has to take priority.

Now that the border with Russia is stabilized, allow China to redirect her resources toward the sea, as the economy demand China to safeguard her SLOC. At the same time this is coincidence with China advance in heavy industry , shipping and electronic. Navy is more technology intensive than army. Building tank is much more easier than building a destroyer.

So I say there is more than economy It is confluence of rising defense budget, geopolitics consideration, maturing industrial base and changing trade pattern, all of those contribute to surging PLAN.
 

MwRYum

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It is not me who wrote those I just posted the article But you are only half right .Certainly economic play a large role. But I believe priority is even a bigger determination why only now China decide to bolster the navy.

For a long time Soviet Union is a much larger menace I would even call it a mortal danger. Being so close to the heart land of China and bristle with nuclear bomb . China has no choice but pouring money in expensive nuclear weapon and the missile that go with it. Next come the army that will take the brunt of any Soviet advances toward Manchuria. Facing 2 front war she has to take priority.

Now that the border with Russia is stabilized, allow China to redirect her resources toward the sea, as the economy demand China to safeguard her SLOC. At the same time this is coincidence with China advance in heavy industry , shipping and electronic. Navy is more technology intensive than army. Building tank is much more easier than building a destroyer.

So I say there is more than economy It is confluence of rising defense budget, geopolitics consideration, maturing industrial base and changing trade pattern, all of those contribute to surging PLAN.

It has more to do with money, production capacities and priorities.

USSR died 20 years ago and with it, the clear and present threat to China's northern border, meanwhile the significance of priorities from the seas rises, yet like everything else China is behind the curve by more than 30 years, yet with too little money to throw at the problem. It took a good part of the last 20+ years to catch up on the production capacities and capabilities, and only after 1999 that the budget problem being solved.

So, PLA as a whole can't improve everything as the same time, for the PLAN in particular the priorities goes to its principle combatants, only after 2010's then they got their hands free to deal with something long relegated to the backburner - the workhorse units, and in this case, the 056 class corvettes.

For the Chinese, fielding multi-role corvettes like the 056 is long time coming, especially given the PLAN's current and mid-term mandate focusing on the "1st island chain" region, where 037 series are too outdated if not too small for the job, and 054A FFG are too large if not overkill unless in full-blown war.

The naval problem in the South China Sea is always there, alas got more nasty in the last decade or so, that's why the South Sea Fleet always got the priority in fielding the definitive serial production ships - eg. 052C DDG and 054A FFG - while the supposedly powder keg direction like Taiwan-facing East Sea Fleet and North Sea Fleet got all those stop-gap ships.
 
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joshuatree

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A squadron of 056s, nice shot. Hope to see one of them sailing in formation soon. So it appears 580, 582, 584, 585, and 596. Is 585's pic from elsewhere?

My bad, overlooked the description at Zhoushan earlier. But still wondering if the 585 pic is at the same base?
 
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Jeff Head

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Zhoushan naval base...
Now THAT:


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...is an EXCELLENT shot. Best 056 picture I have seen. Says it all.
 
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