056 class FFL/corvette

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peterAustralia

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I know this is speculation, and time will tell. I do realise that this corvette at the moment does not have a TAS. Assuming that in the future an ASW version is developed, I assume the surface to surface missiles would be removed, also assume the RHIB would be removed so as to add space, I wonder if they have a torpedo launched via rocket system in the chinese navy like asroc. Would such a system be too large for these ships, or would the vessel work in company with other ships and the coordiates of an enemy submarine sent to another ship via datalink.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Really all Chinese ships should have towed array, dipping and hull based sonar systems

Not any old ones really modern and advanced ones, the top priority should be to equip FFG, DDG and Corvettes with these systems

Then use submarine and surface ships to do excerises in cat and mouse games
 
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596?

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PanAsian

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Does anyone know if all the 056s have the grilles/louvres for the openings below the helipad in the stern? Or do only some of the 056s have them?
 
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joshuatree

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It could be, but for now with that one obstacle blocking the last numeral it looks like it reads 590, according to the picture that is.
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I think it's a very high probability it is 596 as that pennant has been discussed in various venues as being the first HP unit to be assigned to HK. While I can't say this with absolute certainty, it appears the following pennants will be assigned as such.

581-584 -> East
585-587 -> South
596-597 -> HK

So it leaves 588-595 open for yet to be built hulls.


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Does anyone know if all the 056s have the grilles/louvres for the openings below the helipad in the stern? Or do only some of the 056s have them?
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My guess is that these grills/louvers are removeable which explains why we're seeing some with and some without. On the La Fayette class, they have panels that swivel to close up the openings and create a stealthy profile when not in port. I'm guessing the Chinese Navy chose grills/louvers instead to help reduce the radar signature from those openings yet provide some natural ventilation, a compromise they felt was acceptable. I'm glad they reduced those openings from the huge holes earlier.

I wonder if that black upper half of the smokestack is simply unfinished business or yet another direction they are taking?
 
timepass

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joshuatree said:
I think it's a very high probability it is 596 as that pennant has been discussed in various venues as being the first HP unit to be assigned to HK. While I can't say this with absolute certainty, it appears the following pennants will be assigned as such.

581-584 -> East
585-587 -> South
596-597 -> HK

So it leaves 588-595 open for yet to be built hulls.
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Since 056 is being made to replace 037 OPVs & 053 FFGs hence, 17 or 18 units are not enough & IMO the minimum numbers will reach to 60 units if not more.
 
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peterAustralia

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Well since they have managed to build ten ships in around 12 months, they will obviously keep going, maybe another 3 or 4 years. Once the design is sorted out, follow on units are cheaper to make due to economies of scale, the use of jigs that can be used over and over, not having to make new sets of plans (big cost), learning from previous mistakes and learning to do things better. So logic suggests another 40 units or so (possibly a bit more)

Logic suggests than in time an ASW version will be developed using the same hull. A few CY-3 missiles possibly (assuming they can fit on such a small hull) or RBU rocket lauchers at the minimum, and of course a TAS in the stern.

When you assume a cruise speed of say 15 knots, that means in one day they could cruise say 360 nautical miles. So assume they go out for a two week cruise, thats one day out, 12 days on station, then one day back. A fleet of thirty ASW versions all trailing a TAS would make it much harder for other submarines to work close to the chinese coast. Of course only a third would be at sea at any one time, but in addition to other assets, a good ten ships actively looking for submarines at any one time would be a pretty effective tool.

Note that eliminating helicopeter hangars, large guns, long endurance, SSMs, area defence SAMs, and just focusing on ASW means that you should be able to achieve this on 1400t
 
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joshuatree

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timepass said:
Since 056 is being made to replace 037 OPVs & 053 FFGs hence, 17 or 18 units are not enough & IMO the minimum numbers will reach to 60 units if not more.
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I agree there will be more than the current 10+ in various stages of construction. But it appears they've only laid out pennant numbers 581-587 & 596-597 for now. I'm just guessing it would be natural progression to use 588-595 which would be another two flotillas of four to complete that 5XX series. Perhaps by then, some of the 037s/053Hs will be decommissioned and their pennant numbers will be reused in the next round of 056 construction?
 
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peterAustralia said:
Well since they have managed to build ten ships in around 12 months, they will obviously keep going, maybe another 3 or 4 years. Once the design is sorted out, follow on units are cheaper to make due to economies of scale, the use of jigs that can be used over and over, not having to make new sets of plans (big cost), learning from previous mistakes and learning to do things better. So logic suggests another 40 units or so (possibly a bit more)

Logic suggests than in time an ASW version will be developed using the same hull. A few CY-3 missiles possibly (assuming they can fit on such a small hull) or RBU rocket lauchers at the minimum, and of course a TAS in the stern.

When you assume a cruise speed of say 15 knots, that means in one day they could cruise say 360 nautical miles. So assume they go out for a two week cruise, thats one day out, 12 days on station, then one day back. A fleet of thirty ASW versions all trailing a TAS would make it much harder for other submarines to work close to the chinese coast. Of course only a third would be at sea at any one time, but in addition to other assets, a good ten ships actively looking for submarines at any one time would be a pretty effective tool.

Note that eliminating helicopeter hangars, large guns, long endurance, SSMs, area defence SAMs, and just focusing on ASW means that you should be able to achieve this on 1400t
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I think they can add a Towed Array without a huge change to the vessel. I think they can replace some of the armament (ie SSMs with ASW missiles) without a huge change and retain the main gun, the HQ-10 missiles and the smaller 30mm guns as well as the helo landing pad in the process.

In fact, I believe the PLAN will have some ASW variants...and, they may go about it in such a way as to not impact the building of the hulls in the least. They could make such a switch over a modular thing that could be conducted in a few days in port if they made the systems (the ASMs vs the ASW missiles, and the sensors associated with them, as well as the Towed Array) modular enough.

Then all the hulls remain essentially the same and they task various vessels within floitillas, or various individual flotillas for the respective duties as required.

I think they could do this with this design...but we shall see.

As it is, as they sit, they are very decent low intensity, multi-role vessels.
 
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