055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[sndef888]

He does raise a good point about the swift change in trajectory. Maybe we're all getting excited about basically the Yu-8 replacement?

I'd be even more excited if it was the Yu-8 replacement since it'll be the first time we see an asroc fired off a non 054a

 

[Andy1974]

He does raise a good point about the swift change in trajectory. Maybe we're all getting excited about basically the Yu-8 replacement?

Long range ASW torpedo would be amazing, considering we will also be getting everything else we have discussed the past few days in the new future.

 

[Jason_]

There is no chance this is an ASROC. The warhead obviously is not a torpedo.

The choice is between ABM/SAM or AShBM.

 

[Blitzo]

I'm trying to think of operational situations where a ballistic missile would need to maneuver right after launch, as seen in the video.

Iskander missile launch videos, for example, seem to show a fairly straight trajectory after launch until some medium altitude...

I think that depends on whether it's a conventional ballistic missile or not..

 

[Zichan]

Sutton's take...

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Sutton has been masquerading a bit too much speculation lately as “confirmed” or in form of definitive statements. I lost respect for the guy.

 

[sferrin]

My take is in favour of it being an ABM missile, perhaps HQ-26. Looks similar to the Evolved THAAD Interceptor.

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I doubt it's either an ABM or an ASBM. The video shows it tipping over fairly quickly, which neither of those types would do. (And way too slow for a SAM/ABM.) I'm thinking it might be an air-breather that needs a large booster. Maybe a scramjet?

 

[escobar]

I doubt it's either an ABM or an ASBM. The video shows it tipping over fairly quickly, which neither of those types would do. (And way too slow for a SAM/ABM.) I'm thinking it might be an air-breather that needs a large booster. Maybe a scramjet?

A scramjet integrated into the warhead structure to increase range and/or maneuverability?

 

[sferrin]

A scramjet integrated into the warhead structure to increase range and/or maneuverability?

Yep. Think of a scramjet powered missile as a really fast cruise missile. (Because that's pretty much what it is.) It's not likely to have a separating warhead. The fins we're seeing would be the tail of the missile with everything else being booster. Similar to this but optimized for surface launch and packaged to fit in a cell:



The nozzle extension and fins on the booster would go away because you'd use thrust vectoring instead and the booster would be larger proportionally because of surface launch. You'd also have a fairing over the forward end to reduce drag during boost. Scramjets typically have to be going pretty fast to even work. Unless you're using a dual-combustion ramjet (more complicated) that means Mach 3 - 4. X-51 was boosted to Mach 4.9.

 

[Jason_]

I doubt it's either an ABM or an ASBM. The video shows it tipping over fairly quickly, which neither of those types would do. (And way too slow for a SAM/ABM.) I'm thinking it might be an air-breather that needs a large booster. Maybe a scramjet?

An ABM could very much tip over toward its target after launch, doubly so if it is a dual use SAM/ABM like the SM-6.

There is nothing stopping ballistic missiles from tipping over either. From the video it is a slight tip.

 

[sferrin]

An ABM could very much tip over toward its target after launch, doubly so if it is a dual use SAM/ABM like the SM-6.

There is nothing stopping ballistic missiles from tipping over either. From the video it is a slight tip.

Sure, anything is possible. Possible doesn't equate to likely necessarily. And no SAM/ABM I've seen is that slow under boost. (Certainly not a 2-stage missile.)

On second thought, maybe it's got a slow initial boost pulse, like Brahmos, to get it away from the ship and pointed in the right direction. Then a higher powered boost (pretty large by the look of it) and then the upper portion maybe a high speed KV. Mostly a guessing game at this point.