055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[sferrin]

The one on the left is the HQ-9. On the 055, the HQ-9 is typically fired from the front and the YJ-18 at the rear, which is different from the 052D where the HQ-9 and YJ-18 are fired from the front, with the YJ-18 at VLS blocks 3 and 4, and HQ-9 only at the rear VLS.

A new missile would be interesting to see, but absolutely clear picture is demanded to remove all doubt and possible counter explanation.

I was thinking the HQ-9 was high enough to clear the superstructure from that angle but maybe not.

HAH! You were correct. I put it in a video editor and was able to catch one frame before the motor started.

 

[sferrin]

I am saying that canister and cell length are two different things. SM-2MR, ASROC and ESSM uses a smaller 228" canister while Tomahawk, SM-2ER, SM-3 and SM-6 uses the longer 302" canister. The shorter canister will fit the shorter VLS directly, with the bottom exactly touching where the exhaust routing channel is. But if you are to fit the shorter canister on the longer cell, you have to insert an adapter first on the bottom to connect the shorter cell to the bottom channel, making up the difference in length.

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Agreed. I was simply saying the Ticos and Burkes all use the largest cells.

 

[Tam]

It's worse than that. The Zumwalt hull already exists, and was designed to form the basis of the new cruiser from the getgo. One of the guns would have been ditched and swapped out for more VLS, larger radars, etc.. On the other hand this design isn't the final configuration anyway. Most likely somebody got a powerpoint assignment and just "Americanized" the Type 055. I swear sometimes I think the USN is it's own worst enemy.

I don't know. I think this new LSC design concept doesn't look so bad.

 

[yongpengsuen]

What they need right now is 055 in more numbers. They need 4 055 per carrier, so by the time 003 is operational they would need 12 055 operational.

 

[taxiya]

It's worse than that. The Zumwalt hull already exists, and was designed to form the basis of the new cruiser from the getgo. One of the guns would have been ditched and swapped out for more VLS, larger radars, etc.. On the other hand this design isn't the final configuration anyway. Most likely somebody got a powerpoint assignment and just "Americanized" the Type 055. I swear sometimes I think the USN is it's own worst enemy.

I take it that you would prefer a new ship of Zumwalt lineage (tumblehome hull). If we take away the copying thing, the new USN ship is a continuation/enlargement of Arleigh Burke IMO. This choice is likely due to tublehome hull not fulfilling the practical need of USN.

One thing I can think of is that Zumwalt is meant for operation closer to the shore of the opponent, the new ship is certainly meant for open ocean demanding greater sea worthiness.

So althoug I agree that sometimes the USN is its own enemy, it would be a futher mistake to continue the mistake of Zumwalt. To be honest Zumwalt is a product of doctrine out of touch with reality.

 

[sferrin]

I take it that you would prefer a new ship of Zumwalt lineage (tumblehome hull). If we take away the copying thing, the new USN ship is a continuation/enlargement of Arleigh Burke IMO. This choice is likely due to tublehome hull not fulfilling the practical need of USN.

One thing I can think of is that Zumwalt is meant for operation closer to the shore of the opponent, the new ship is certainly meant for open ocean demanding greater sea worthiness.

So I agree that sometimes the USN is its own enemy, it would be a futher mistake to continue the mistake of Zumwalt. To be honest Zumwalt is a product of doctrine out of touch with reality.

I'd heard mixed stories on the seaworthiness issue. I don't think it would be my first choice of hull form for heavy seas though. I'd stick with something roughly that size though if only for the hangar / filght deck space.

 

[taxiya]

I'd heard mixed stories on the seaworthiness issue. I don't think it would be my first choice of hull form for heavy seas though. I'd stick with something roughly that size though if only for the hangar / filght deck space.

Since it is off topic, I will just share last thought that I am aware of, we can continue in other thread if you will.

From this article,

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Carey Filling, the director of the Surface Ship Design and Systems Engineering directorate at Naval Sea Systems Command, and the senior tech authority for DDG(X) said

the “design is still in progress, so I can’t tell you a lot, but certainly the team has looked at ships as small in displacement as DDG-51, ships that have been larger than Zumwalt. Certainly because of our desire for affordability and getting this both quality and quantity, the design space has been driven kind of smaller, and the team definitely thinks we can get IPS in the hull.”

This seems to mean that the ship has to be smaller due to cost reasons. It is very logic since DDG(X) is to replace numerous Arleigh Burkes.

 

[by78]

A couple of magazine scans of 105.

 

[Njamba Nene]

Actually, the most anticipated upgrade is a new power plant, IEPS. The rest, more cells and rail gun are possible but less likely.

 

[by78]

An undated image. Probably a Dalian unit.