055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Tam]

You are wrong here, look at these pictures, it indoor ship cradle, which have capacity to produce large ships. I think it is prepared for 054Bs, but also possible for 052 series.

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As for the technique problems, I agree with you, but all in all, it is just money problem. If navy get more funding to produce these ships, they must be able to do it.
Jiangnan shipyard takes several year to upgrade to produce carriers, Guangchuan and Huangpu will take less time to prepare for destroyers. I even think they already finished this work, they just need a certificate to start.

It is meant to weld sections of large ships --- bulk freighters, container ships --- you have any idea how these large ship scale in comparison to a 054B? These ships displace several times more, anywhere from 100,000 to 400,000 DWT. A 054B would be considered a tiny ship. There is no way a 054B would be considered a large ship. These facilities are meant to produce huge commercial ships. Check out the massive drydock next to the sheds. The pieces that are made in these sheds are moved to the drydock for final assembly. Do you remember how they were building 003? The smaller pieces were being assembled into larger modules first, before they were moved to the drydock. In other words, this facility was meant to produce ships the other facility can't.

Sure these facilities can produce the warships and they have the space for it --- the drydock there can build a carrier, maybe two 075 size ships side bye side, but let me remind you that is not their original purpose, much like HDZ's new facilities at Changxin were meant to produce high end commercial ships.

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These shipyards are primarily born for industry and profit. Warship construction is only a collateral side business.

At this stage, the small shipyards that have produced 056 successfully are better geared for making 054A+ and 054B. Guangzhou Huangpu's old shed for example, can produce two 054X sized frigates side by side. One of the older HDZ's shipyards, where a 054AP is currently being built, that can produce two 054X sized frigates size by side, and its bigger dock can produce one 054X, possibly two, on the side even if two 075 ships are being built there. If this drydock isn't producing 075, you can load four frigates or destroyers there. There are also two shipyards around the Liaoning peninsula that have produced 056 and can produce frigate.

JIangnan's and Dalian's facilities have not changed, they can produce the same output as they have recently. If Dalian is going to produce another carrier, it would be on the dock used for Liaoning and Shandong, which isn't used for destroyers anyway.

Money isn't the problem. Training is. Restructuring the building line. That takes a little time. What takes even more time is your army of technicians needed to fit the ships. The fitting of the ships take longer than it takes to construct them. Money isn't enough, you also need time to train an army of technicians.

 

[feilinreg]

It is meant to weld sections of large ships --- bulk freighters, container ships --- you have any idea how these large ship scale in comparison to a 054B? These ships displace several times more, anywhere from 100,000 to 400,000 DWT. A 054B would be considered a tiny ship. There is no way a 054B would be considered a large ship. These facilities are meant to produce huge commercial ships. Check out the massive drydock next to the sheds. The pieces that are made in these sheds are moved to the drydock for final assembly. Do you remember how they were building 003? The smaller pieces were being assembled into larger modules first, before they were moved to the drydock. In other words, this facility was meant to produce ships the other facility can't.

Sure these facilities can produce the warships and they have the space for it --- the drydock there can build a carrier, maybe two 075 size ships side bye side, but let me remind you that is not their original purpose, much like HDZ's new facilities at Changxin were meant to produce high end commercial ships.

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These shipyards are primarily born for industry and profit. Warship construction is only a collateral side business.

At this stage, the small shipyards that have produced 056 successfully are better geared for making 054A+ and 054B. Guangzhou Huangpu's old shed for example, can produce two 054X sized frigates side by side. One of the older HDZ's shipyards, where a 054AP is currently being built, that can produce two 054X sized frigates size by side, and its bigger dock can produce one 054X, possibly two, on the side even if two 075 ships are being built there. If this drydock isn't producing 075, you can load four frigates or destroyers there. There are also two shipyards around the Liaoning peninsula that have produced 056 and can produce frigate.

JIangnan's and Dalian's facilities have not changed, they can produce the same output as they have recently. If Dalian is going to produce another carrier, it would be on the dock used for Liaoning and Shandong, which isn't used for destroyers anyway.

Money isn't the problem. Training is. Restructuring the building line. That takes a little time. What takes even more time is your army of technicians needed to fit the ships. The fitting of the ships take longer than it takes to construct them. Money isn't enough, you also need time to train an army of technicians.

You need read some chinese news, Huangpu shipyard introduced it, it has a width of 45m and height 50m, and in the picture, they are building a 2700 teu container ship, I think this ship can be defined as a "large ship", but it's ok if you don't agree.

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And this facility is samiliar with the old shipyard, if not for warships, what kind of ships need this high-tech and expensive indoor ship cradle?

And you said the time, if they start now, how long time they need. I agree. But possibly they already started it many years ago. As far as my understanding, PLA has a huge plan for everything, they start the training the day they start to build these facilities. Here we can only guess what the plan is by these evidences.

 

[Tam]

New 055 on trials.

Via @利刃斩海飞剪艏 from Weibo
Posted by LKJ86 at the PDF.

 

[Tam]

You need read some chinese news, Huangpu shipyard introduced it, it has a width of 45m and height 50m, and in the picture, they are building a 2700 teu container ship, I think this ship can be defined as a "large ship", but it's ok if you don't agree.

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And this facility is samiliar with the old shipyard, if not for warships, what kind of ships need this high-tech and expensive indoor ship cradle?

And you said the time, if they start now, how long time they need. I agree. But possibly they already started it many years ago. As far as my understanding, PLA has a huge plan for everything, they start the training the day they start to build these facilities. Here we can only guess what the plan is by these evidences.

These facilities are not built by PLA. These facilities are built by SOE with money rolled by Chinese investment and infrastructure banks. Sure they all answer to the same master, but they are still different entities with different intentions. China, and its organizations, isn't a singular monolithic entity. Each organization functions with its own self interest. These facilities are made to make money through industry, pay the bank, pay employees and so on. An SOE is responsible for its own profit, and they are not to big to fail and closed by their owners (government) should they fail. Even if all these shipbuilding SOEs answer to the same master, they all compete against each other for the commercial business. GH is losing business to other shipyards that can make bigger ships, so naturally it has to find a place to make a larger shipyard. HDZ had the same situation.

2700 TEU is actually pretty small in commercial ship world. Large majority of container ships are over 5000 TEU and over 20,000, and that is why large shipyards are a necessity for this sort of business. Nonetheless this should be big enough to do destroyer or large frigate in those facilities. But it does not mean this facility is intentionally made for making destroyers or frigates, otherwise they would have already done it yesterday. There is nothing here that suggest they can build a destroyer right away without lead time for training, retooling and reorganization.

 

[by78]

Dalian update. The 055 in the large dry dock has been painted.

 

[Tam]

That 055 maybe headed out soon. The other 052DL is also getting painted.

121 Qiqihar is already gone. Along with someone reporting that 122 Tangshan have been commissioned, it seemed likely that a dual commissioning has taken place.

 

[lcloo]

Seem like there will be a period of lull before improve variant of type 055 appears. Both Dalian and JNCX Shanghai are in similar situation.

The replacement of all type 051 will be completed when all DDGs under current sea trial/construction are commissioned in next few years. (Edit: Some posters said they have all been retired, while some claimed DDG 166 is still in service.)

 

[FangYuan]

The Type-055 is very expensive, so the quantity will not surpass the Type-052.

 

[antiterror13]

The Type-055 is very expensive, so the quantity will not surpass the Type-052.

who knows?, money is not the main issue here

 

[Tam]

The Type-055 is very expensive, so the quantity will not surpass the Type-052.

Given the projected growth rates assuming same percentage of military budget annual increase, today's budget is a mere tip of the iceberg to come.

I expect 055 price per unit to go down as more ships are made. The reason why Zumwalt is so expensive is because three were made. If 20 were made the price would floor.

However the problem of having too many ships of one class is you can end up with a large fleet of the same obsolete ship in the long run. But, this can be mitigated by designing the ship to have room for refit upgrades.