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AndrewS

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Sorry how will nuclear subs decide the day?

What does a military victory look like?

Control of the 1st Island Chain and denial of the 2nd Island Chain, whether that be through military or political means.

If that happens, China has already won and can declare victory. And if the US has no allies in the 1st Island Chain, what reason is there for a war to continue?

But at the moment, it's difficult for the Chinese military to deny use of the 2nd Island Chain.

It's very difficult for a Chinese surface fleet to operate to the 2nd Island Chain (3000km to Guam). That applies to aircraft and missiles as well.

But a larger SSN fleet means the Chinese Navy has the option of surging most of the submarine fleet past the 1st Island Chain barrier into relative safety.

The US typically only has 6 nuclear submarines on patrol at any time, and these are the only submarines that can keep up with Chinese SSNs.

So Chinese SSNs could take up station at key chokepoints in the Pacific. We're talking about a handful of ports.

Eg. Guam, Japan, Philippines, Hawaii, Panama Canal, San Diego, Seattle

Anyway, back to the Type-55
 

Richard Santos

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I keep stressing this. What they need to build up are more submarines (SSN 095 and SSBN 096). Those will decide the day.
All their neighbors (Vietnam, Singapore, India) are getting more lethal modern SSKs.

And then there's US unmatched Sub forces, along with Aus and SOK and Jap's SSKs.

There is a perception that China is building surface combatants at a high rate because quality of Chinese surface combatants are at a competitive level, so little is wasted by building in large numbers the design at hand now and there is little to be gained by waiting.

China is not yet mass producing SSNs and SSBNs because qualities of Chinese submarines are not yet at competitive level. So it is wasteful to incur the cost of mass produce relatively ineffective designs when waiting a while would allow a much improved fleet to be built at not much greater cost.
 

Appix

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I keep stressing this. What they need to build up are more submarines (SSN 095 and SSBN 096). Those will decide the day.
All their neighbors (Vietnam, Singapore, India) are getting more lethal modern SSKs.

And then there's US unmatched Sub forces, along with Aus and SOK and Jap's SSKs.

I agree with you. Once Beijing does finally feel alight on an SSN and SSBN design that it feels is truly capable, we will likely see many of these boats. The Type 093 SSN and Type 094 SSBN are not satisfying in quality.
 

kurutoga

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I agree with you. Once Beijing does finally feel alight on an SSN and SSBN design that it feels is truly capable, we will likely see many of these boats. The Type 093 SSN and Type 094 SSBN are not satisfying in quality.

SSN yes. But China's goals do not ask for more than 4-6 SSBNs. More than that would be a waste of resources. It's no longer an ideology war. China has no ambition to attack the US.
 

Tyler

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SSN yes. But China's goals do not ask for more than 4-6 SSBNs. More than that would be a waste of resources. It's no longer an ideology war. China has no ambition to attack the US.

If it is not ideology, then what type of war is it?
 

Dante80

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If it is not ideology, then what type of war is it?

Irregardless of type, Chinas' NFU as well as its overall strategic posture (see the minimum deterrent posture in their own white papers) strongly suggests a modest nuclear arsenal. Now, and in the future. You are not going to see the thousands of weapons the US or/and USSR/Russia maintained.You are going to see though a very modern, diverse and high capability nuclear triad from them.

In accordance to the above, this also hints towards a modest - yet both efficient and powerful - SSBN fleet. You don't need more, since your actual posture is a deterrent retaliatory force for
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targets (as per PRC doctrine).

Sorry for going off-topic.
 

Tam

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Via GSZhou at the PDF.

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Via bahadur999 at the PDF.

China's 10,000 ton-class destroyer equipped with long-range land-attack missiles
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/12/22 22:53:12
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The guided-missile destroyer Nanchang of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy takes part in a naval parade staged to mark the 70th founding anniversary of the PLA Navy on the sea off Qingdao, east China's Shandong Province, on April 23, 2019. (Photo: Xinhua)

China's latest 10,000 ton-class guided missile destroyer, the Type 055, is capable of launching long-range land-attack cruise missiles, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy revealed as experts said on Sunday the new weapon could let the destroyer launch more precise attacks against land targets at greater range.

Introducing the vast and complicated arsenal at its disposal, the PLA Navy said on China's Twitter-like social platform Sina Weibo that the service operates not only vessels, but also submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles with strategic missile submarines and long-range land-attack cruise missiles with 10,000 ton-class guided missile destroyer, despite them also being the main battle equipment of the PLA Rocket Force.

China displayed its first Type 055 destroyer, the Nanchang, in April at the fleet review of the PLA Navy's 70th anniversary celebration in Qingdao, East China's Shandong Province.

As China's first type of 10,000 ton-class destroyer, the Type 055 has 112 vertical launch missile cells capable of launching a combination of surface-to-air missiles, anti-ship missiles and anti-submarine missiles, according to media reports.

While military observers have been speculating the ship was capable of launching land-attack missiles, the Navy's Weibo post confirmed the speculation.

The Navy's post did not elaborate on the designation or specifications of the long-range land-attack cruise missile, and went on to introduce the Navy's J-10 and J-11 fighter jets that are also operated by the Air Force, as well as Z-8 and Z-9 helicopters, amphibious armored vehicles and howitzers that are also used by the Army.

The Chinese Navy has formed a complete system with submarine troops, surface vessel troops, aviation troops, marines and coastal defense troops, as the five sub-branches use a wide selection of different weapons to become as efficient as possible, an anonymous military expert told the Global Times on Sunday.

Long-range land-attack cruise missiles will allow destroyers to launch more powerful precision strikes on land targets compared to main guns, which have a lower range and are less accurate, the expert said.
 

asif iqbal

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This DDG has twin hanger

this DDG needs 2 x Z18C

it also need a UAV

it needs air cover from rotary wing 24/7 if submarine is detected

Australia and Japan are building a very powerful submarine force

VDS, towed sonar and bow sonar can only do so much you need mission flexibility

China needs a ultra modern sophisticated helicopter for naval operations
 
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