055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Red Moon]

This image comparison provides a succinct graphic argument for why the 055 and NOT the 052 will be the PLAN's priority in DDG development and procurement going forth.

It depends on their doctrine. There will be cost/effectiveness issues as well.
The Type 055 has twice the engines. I would not be surprised if the construction cost was similarly higher as well.

Still, considering how quickly they can build these ships I would tend to agree that the amount of Type 055 ships to be constructed will likely be on the higher side of things.

Right now, production rate of 052D is at least twice that of 055.

 

[ougoah]

I think it’s more appropriate here



Yes although I agree my point was that Type 055 needs twin medium sized helicopters and even rotary UAV

It’s a billion dollar warship and small investment in helicopters will ensure the warship survives

China should have had a certified new generation helicopters for these warships, ultra-long range ultra-long endurance

Not only for this warship but all the other ones that are coming online, the Z9C is basically a toy utterly useless

Ones that can sweep the ocean with powerful sensors and radars

I don’t know why China saves money on silly things like this while building 10 of these

Bit like taking off CIWS to save money while building a warship, and we know that’s been done

PLAAF builds aircrafts and lacks engines, PLAN builds warships and lacks rotary wing

Two very different problems both with a common theme

And trust me gaps in wartime cost

Quite true that defense against submarines seems to be a lacking area. At least that's because there is a complete absence of information about how well the PLAN can deal with submarines. I don't think the comparison between PLAAF lacking engines and PLAN lacking rotary is a good one. These gaps are totally different in nature. Engine tech takes time and experimentation with fabrication processes and materials technology. This is a revealed and publicly recognised area where China lacks. Time can easily change this and to be honest, Chinese engine tech is still decent. Literally five nations on his planet can build military low bypass turbofans. Only USA, Russia, and China have built high thrust and above. This is only turbofans. There are other means of propulsion. Maybe 80% of funding and research in China is directed at many alternatives. Even if not, Chinese turbofan tech is maturing and it exists which is something that can't be said for every single other country on this planet.

As for anti-sub. This is different because it is a totally hidden in/ability. For all we really know, PLAN could have some novel anti-sub techniques. Why would they reveal everything? In fact, the superficial absence of anti-sub ability in a region where anti-sub is priority one, would hint to me that they have certain abilities kept out of the spotlight. The reality is all capable militaries have PLENTY of hidden ability. It's the size of the subsurface iceberg that counts when things heat up. Maybe PLAN has several new anti-sub systems/methods but USN have excellent counters to those. We simply see the tip of the iceberg. I personally doubt that PLAN can be stupid enough to ignore the number one threat to all these ultra expensive surface fleets which seem impressive when dealing with surface and air threats but hopeless against subs which happen to be USN's most lethal anti-surface ability along with masses of F-35s. This observation should be apparent to all. Will PLAN truly have 100% faith in those Z9s and MAD equipped sub hunters? Same method and tech as 1970s just modernised with better electronics. Better ways ALWAYS exist. Whether PLAN has made efforts towards those remain to be seen. But I doubt it's something they'd ever show. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

 

[gelgoog]

The Chinese Navy seems to be focusing a lot more on anti-submarine capabilities with more recent ships. A lot of them have variable depth sonar and towed sonar arrays.
With regards to weapons there is the CY-5 anti-submarine rocket. The Russians also have versions of the Kalibr with anti-submarine torpedo (91RTE2). So it would be surprising if the Chinese wouldn't have a weapon system like that as well.

 

[Jura The idiot]

checked last four pages, didn't see this cool view (sorry if it's an old one though; found inside

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[asif iqbal]

Unless there is a secret helicopter programme I don’t see how PLAN can do ASW from rotary wing which is fundamental for any warship in open ocean

 

[Totoro]

Unless there is a secret helicopter programme I don’t see how PLAN can do ASW from rotary wing which is fundamental for any warship in open ocean

What about z9c and ka-29?

 

[Blitzo]

Much nicer, benefiting probably from more appropriate camera settings.

 

[Red Moon]

Much nicer, benefiting probably from more appropriate camera settings.

Or the fog is not as thick when seen from the reviewing ship and not through an ultra long lens.

 

[Blitzo]

Or the fog is not as thick when seen from the reviewing ship and not through an ultra long lens.

Actually apparently it might have been taken during the rehearsal

 

[Red Moon]

Actually apparently it might have been taken during the rehearsal

I see.