Jura The idiot
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Equipment Operational Capability (US DoD)
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Equipment Operational Capability (US DoD)
what you meant?
Early Operational Capability, which reflects what I've been saying about the LRASM. EOC is earlier than IOC and I believe is reserved for items the military has high confidence in and/or wants deployed ASAP. The US military has been pushing this missile through the pipeline very fast, and it fits in nicely with USN's "distributed lethality" mandate as this missile can be launched from VLS tubes, fighters, and bombers.
Jura The idiot
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it's actually interesting what you have to pull to 'save the day for the Burkes'
I am not sure what you mean by this.
Well, when you compare the 64 missile load out to 96, and when you compare one ASW helo to two, and then compare the maturity of the systems, particularly the integrated defenisice system on the two, it is clear to me that the Bukre are significantly more capable.
Now, the new Type 55, which is carrying 106 missiles compared to the Burke 96 VLS, and then you add the CIWS missiles, and two helos on the Type 055, I would say that they are more capale than the Burke...but not more capable than the Tico Cruiser.
The Tico has 128 missile + eight Harpoons, so a total of 136 missiles, and they also carry (lie the BUrkes) two ASW helos.
Finally, the US has a total of 22 Tico cruisers already out there fully operational, and te US has 68 Bukre DDGs already out there, and another 16 building, and another 12-20 approve beyond that.
Do not get me wrong, the PLAN has made AMAZING progress in the last ten years, more than anyone would have thought posible...and they are going to keep doing it. So they are closing the gap...but the numbers have wuite a ways to go still, and the experience level and maturity of the technology has to come forward to...and that will take time.
But it is not going to take nearly as much time as people used to believe. @kwaigonegin
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Not that I'm certain either way but that is a very very superficial comparison that you made to determine the capability of these ships. It's akin to saying that the MiG-31 is more capable than F-35 because it's faster and has a much higher MTOW. The PLAN has every capability to increase the size and load-out of these destroyers but chose to stay with their current configurations for a reason and it's not to end up with ships that are "obviously less capable" than those of the USN.
I think without comparing the payload those VLS tubes can carry the comparison becomes not that useful. Chinese VLS tubes are wider so the amount of delivered kinetic payload may actually be superior. Also AFAIK the Chinese surface-to-surface missiles like the YJ-18 are superior at least on paper.
The USA does have the advantage that it can quad pack some kinds of missiles though. But most of those missiles would be short range. I do question the electronics of ships built in the 1980s versus what the Chinese can manufacture today. I think the whole USA destroyer fleet needs upgrades in the radar and command and control systems to remain viable. Depending on processing power you can identify and fire at more or less targets. The more processing power you have the better.
Chinese helicopters still kind of suck and their anti-submarine-warfare capabilities are still not that well proven though. There are prototypes available to solve those issues but I think it will at least take a decade to see them fielded in numbers. Of course there is still a gross tonnage disparity between both navies as well like you mentioned. But the thing is, the Chinese don't want to cover the entirety of the world's oceans like the US Navy does.
The USA does have the advantage that it can quad pack some kinds of missiles though. But most of those missiles would be short range. I do question the electronics of ships built in the 1980s versus what the Chinese can manufacture today. I think the whole USA destroyer fleet needs upgrades in the radar and command and control systems to remain viable. Depending on processing power you can identify and fire at more or less targets. The more processing power you have the better.
Chinese helicopters still kind of suck and their anti-submarine-warfare capabilities are still not that well proven though. There are prototypes available to solve those issues but I think it will at least take a decade to see them fielded in numbers. Of course there is still a gross tonnage disparity between both navies as well like you mentioned. But the thing is, the Chinese don't want to cover the entirety of the world's oceans like the US Navy does.
Yes, but we do know what those tubes are capable of carrying, and we have seen them utilized in many conflicts on the US side, and seen the steady, upgrde of all of those systems as time has gone one, and with about every single type of missile the US carries, either in actual combat or in very realisticv scenarios with its allies.
Now, the LAN will be doing some of that as time goes on...but they have not even done the full initial sea trials of the Type 055, and they have only had the Type 052D out there for a very relative short term.
I believe that the PLAN has good systems...but we have not seen them in full blown operations as of yet, whereas the US vessels have not only done it...but many of their allies have bought into the technology themselves.
At some point in the future, when the PLAN has developed off shore basing and off shore allies who begin to use these same systems that the PLAN has, and begins to truly exercise them and improve them, we will know a lot more...but that i going to take some time.
Did you lose a few missiles there? The 055 carries 112 VL cells in addition to 24 slant-launched HHQ-10s. It is not at all clear to me that the Tico is more capable than the 055, even just considering the number of VL cells, especially if you take the extra potential of the UVLS into consideration. Also, given just the external level of observable technology seen on the 055 I would say that its electronics suite is superior to that of the Tico, whose hardware isn't exactly up-to-date, with many systems still in service that are unchanged since the 1980s.
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