055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Tam

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To clarify, it seems added length to the destroyers. The modified versions refer to the two 052Ds that are still being constructed next to the 055s, not the finished ones.

Who knows if there are other changes to these ships. Now I am interested to see how these ships are going to turn out.

For instance, talking about IEPS. You might like to test this by turning one or two ships into guinea pigs. You want to start with a proven design, so you account for all known factors.
 

watdahek

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YJ-20 ASBM??

Anyway, the idea of the inevitable 055A having a marginally larger VLS count is not hard to believe (though I'm not sure about this guy's credibility).

It's the powerplant arrangement (aka IEPS), the configuration of the topside superstructure, and the presence or absence of railgun and DEW which are the big money questions to answer going forwards.

That guy has no PLAN inside information, however he is a close follower of PLA. I find his list of missiles as completely useless information, since there are probably at least 20 combinations the PLAN will use depending on the mission context.

There were some rumors of ASBM/hypersonic weapon that will be equipped on later 055 variants, first mentioned by Du Wenlong, a "military expert" that talks about military stuff on TV. His credibility is average, probably better than Zhang Zhaozhong (the one who made all the worst possible Iraq War predictions, like US will be mired in guerrilla warfare and achieve little to hurt Saddam's regime). Then Pop3, a very credible big shrimp completely dismissed Du. After that, a military commentator that writes blog posts on PLA, whose family had fairly close connections with PLAN, came out and said the big shrimp have left the navy for too long and were not aware of the most recent advancements. He claims to have boarded the launched 055, and was present when a 052D captain expressed his jealousy of the 055 for "new anti ship weapons". He personally do not believe the weapon to be YJ-18, which is already equipped on 052D. He also mentioned the length of the VLS cells are different on any single ship, with the later 055 variants having a higher proportion of 9m x 0.85m cells than shorter cells.

Normally i would place pop3 as the most reliable source, but in light of the recent Guanghua award nominations leak, I find naval hypersonic weapons highly plausible in the 2020s, as a complement to the lack of strike power of PLAN from too few carriers in service.
 

SinoSoldier

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That guy has no PLAN inside information, however he is a close follower of PLA. I find his list of missiles as completely useless information, since there are probably at least 20 combinations the PLAN will use depending on the mission context.

There were some rumors of ASBM/hypersonic weapon that will be equipped on later 055 variants, first mentioned by Du Wenlong, a "military expert" that talks about military stuff on TV. His credibility is average, probably better than Zhang Zhaozhong (the one who made all the worst possible Iraq War predictions, like US will be mired in guerrilla warfare and achieve little to hurt Saddam's regime). Then Pop3, a very credible big shrimp completely dismissed Du. After that, a military commentator that writes blog posts on PLA, whose family had fairly close connections with PLAN, came out and said the big shrimp have left the navy for too long and were not aware of the most recent advancements. He claims to have boarded the launched 055, and was present when a 052D captain expressed his jealousy of the 055 for "new anti ship weapons". He personally do not believe the weapon to be YJ-18, which is already equipped on 052D. He also mentioned the length of the VLS cells are different on any single ship, with the later 055 variants having a higher proportion of 9m x 0.85m cells than shorter cells.

Normally i would place pop3 as the most reliable source, but in light of the recent Guanghua award nominations leak, I find naval hypersonic weapons highly plausible in the 2020s, as a complement to the lack of strike power of PLAN from too few carriers in service.

The biggest piece of information concerning the ASBM would be the PLAN presentation, in which a powerpoint slide depicted the trajectory of the ASBM with several pull-up maneuvers. And there was also the R&D document that dates all the back to before 2015, concerning a so-called "reentry anti-ship missile".
 

Blitzo

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The biggest piece of information concerning the ASBM would be the PLAN presentation, in which a powerpoint slide depicted the trajectory of the ASBM with several pull-up maneuvers. And there was also the R&D document that dates all the back to before 2015, concerning a so-called "reentry anti-ship missile".

I expect the Navy to have a shipborne HGV ashm eventually, but I think your source is reaching a bit when claiming that it will be "YJ-20"
 

SinoSoldier

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I expect the Navy to have a shipborne HGV ashm eventually, but I think your source is reaching a bit when claiming that it will be "YJ-20"

I don't think the ASBM will necessarily be named "YJ-20" (although OdeoSoldier has claimed that the 055's main anti-ship weapon will be named as such), but the central claim is that there will be a shipborne ASBM.
 

watdahek

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I don't think the ASBM will necessarily be named "YJ-20" (although OdeoSoldier has claimed that the 055's main anti-ship weapon will be named as such), but the central claim is that there will be a shipborne ASBM.

you talking about this one?
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iirc theres a lot of background noise in that same presentation such as 052D = 0.6x 055, and China will develop mini SSN, which to me makes the whole presentation less trustworthy. This slide do show that PLAN has been considering this option though.
Do you have an idea of the intensity of essays on ship borne asbm? if there are multitudes of research papers on this, that definitely shows the weapon is on its way.
 

SinoSoldier

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you talking about this one?
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iirc theres a lot of background noise in that same presentation such as 052D = 0.6x 055, and China will develop mini SSN, which to me makes the whole presentation less trustworthy. This slide do show that PLAN has been considering this option though.
Do you have an idea of the intensity of essays on ship borne asbm? if there are multitudes of research papers on this, that definitely shows the weapon is on its way.

Not sure about the prevalence of such documents, although anyone with access to Chinese engineering databases could attempt to do a search using such keywords. The same presentation had photos of never-seen-before weapons systems (like the encapsulated torpedo-tube-launched YJ-18 and the Yu-9 electric torpedo), so whoever made it definitely had access to information regarding these weapons systems, and TBH the mini-SSN (which is actually a retrofit of existing SSKs with a mini nuclear reactor) isn't exactly far-fetched if the PLAN finds the concept feasible & useful.
 

watdahek

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Not sure about the prevalence of such documents, although anyone with access to Chinese engineering databases could attempt to do a search using such keywords. The same presentation had photos of never-seen-before weapons systems (like the encapsulated torpedo-tube-launched YJ-18 and the Yu-9 electric torpedo), so whoever made it definitely had access to information regarding these weapons systems, and TBH the mini-SSN (which is actually a retrofit of existing SSKs with a mini nuclear reactor) isn't exactly far-fetched if the PLAN finds the concept feasible & useful.

the mini-ssn is probably not as difficult as a regular heavily equipped SSN, but im talking about the trend of PLAN development is against developing a small vessel like this, and more for ships with better self sustain.

You have those slides with the yu9 and yj18?
 

SinoSoldier

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the mini-ssn is probably not as difficult as a regular heavily equipped SSN, but im talking about the trend of PLAN development is against developing a small vessel like this, and more for ships with better self sustain.

You have those slides with the yu9 and yj18?

We don't know what the PLAN's "trend" is, and whether building a few mini-SSNs really breaks that trend so to speak. Additionally we don't even know if all of the projects on those slides are planned or the PLAN or simply concepts and options that the Navy could choose as they see fit.

Yu-9 & YJ-18 (top & bottom, respectively)
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YJ-18_submarine_launched_antiship_missile_2.jpg
 
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