055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[vincent]

Building four of these at once itself sends a strong message to other nation in the region and to the United States.

It is quite the undertaking and something the US has not done (building four of a major combatant at once...and I do not mean having components being built so that they come out in series once a year...I mean having all four of them coming out within a year), as I say, this is something the US has not done since World War II days and the wind down from that huge building program.

Two at once? Oh yes...and the PLAN has done the same thing with other classes.

But building four of these very large and very capable DDGs at one time is sending a strong message that basically says...we can increase our numbers and capabilities very fast if we want to...or feel driven to. It is a message that is not lost on any of these nations like India, the US, Australia, Japan, Korea, etc.

Japan and Korea both have built two at a time in the past...but then on relatively small overall builds of five to six or seven vessels. I expect far more than six or seven Type 055s will be built.

It will be interesting to see if the PLAN continues to build at this rate after these first four come out.

Will they rapidly build up to 16 of these vessels?

They are certainly demonstrating that they have the manufacturing capability to do so.

If they follow that on with a logistical capability to out fit them all together, and then the training capability to man them all together...then that message will resound throughout the Pacific...and IMHO, around the world.

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[delft]

Building four of these at once itself sends a strong message to other nation in the region and to the United States.

It is also a message that PLAN has full confidence in its ability to get everything right in this design.

 

[Jeff Head]

Great discussion guys. Well said on all sides.

However...it is off topi. I will establish a separate thread on Major Powers Economic Geo Influence and Military spending and put it there.

Hope it continues.

That Thread is:

HERE

 

[Orthan]

Is there any pictures of 055 in the water? i have searched the net for them and havent found any. Have the completed 055 been launched or are they still in drydock ??

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

Is there any pictures of 055 in the water? i have searched the net for them and havent found any. Have the completed 055 been launched or are they still in drydock ??

By pdf, Grey Boy.

 

[vesicles]

Is there any pictures of 055 in the water? i have searched the net for them and havent found any. Have the completed 055 been launched or are they still in drydock ??

The 055 was launched months ago. We've got tons and tons of photos, from every which angle...

Check out post# 3481 on page 349 of this thread.

 

[B.I.B.]

It is also a message that PLAN has full confidence in its ability to get everything right in this design.

How much influence do you think Russia would have had on the way PLAN ships were designed and built. In the past I have read comments made by U.S.N serviceman that by their standards, the Russian boats lacked the same degree of fire and damage control.

 

[latenlazy]

How much influence do you think Russia would have had on the way PLAN ships were designed and built. In the past I have read comments made by U.S.N serviceman that by their standards, the Russian boats lacked the same degree of fire and damage control.

Very little. The PLAN studied navies and ships from all over the world, and it seems very apparent (to me at least) that the Russian approach was probably the least influential. Their designs and force structures reflect a lot of independent thought, but if we have to identify discrete influences the US seems to stand out a lot more than Russia.

 

[Blitzo]

How much influence do you think Russia would have had on the way PLAN ships were designed and built. In the past I have read comments made by U.S.N serviceman that by their standards, the Russian boats lacked the same degree of fire and damage control.

Define "influence".

E.g.: certain Russian subsystems, especially those purchased along with the Sovs, have obviously found domestic spinoffs in some Chinese naval ships, from HHQ-16, to the domestic version of Mineral-ME radars, and Orekh illuminators. In that sense, there are obviously some meaningful Russian "influence" in ships like 054A.


Also, consider that the only "Russian" warships that China had ever imported wholesale since after the Sino-Soviet split, was the Sovremenny class.

From the 052 to 051B, which were the major classes built in the late Cold War to 1990s, there would not have been much Soviet/Russian ships that China would have had exposure to at all prior to the Sov class, and by the time the Chinese Navy did have their hands on the Sovs, we are able to see with hindsight the designs that they then went with and chose to iterate and mass produce on.


But I think your question is less about how much "influence" Russian ships may have had on Chinese naval shipbuilding, but more about what Chinese naval shipbuilding "standards" in areas like damage control etc, are like in the first place.

 

[AndrewS]

How much influence do you think Russia would have had on the way PLAN ships were designed and built. In the past I have read comments made by U.S.N serviceman that by their standards, the Russian boats lacked the same degree of fire and damage control.

Remember that China's doctrine has shifted from a coastal defence navy, to a counter-intervention navy, and now to a blue-water navy.

On the first two, Soviet thinking would have been carefully analysed for lessons, particularly around a notional NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict for the Atlantic Ocean in 1989 for example.

But now China is shifting to a blue water navy, so the fleet design requirements would be more similar to the US Navy.