055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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latenlazy

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Here's how two missiles could maximize space inside a larger VLS cell.

Clearance from the cell walls was modeled after ratio of tomahawk missile diameter and mk41 cell width.

As shown in the image, the 2 missile arrangement allows for placement of missiles with 12% larger diameter compared to the quad packed missiles. Even with measurement errors and an imprecise drawing, one should get some 10% larger diameter. For example, if maximum diameter is 300mm for quadpacking, for doublepack it might be ~333mm. if hot launch needs to be used, two openings can serve as a common exhaust for either missile. This post does not take into account possible cost effectiveness of such solution.
To maximize the area for two missiles in a cell the idea would be to arrange the diameter of each missile tangent to the diagonal of the square.
 

by78

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, 055's construction employed the world's first 3D CNC plate bending machine for producing external plates with complex curvatures and shapes.

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I did some further digging, the CNC plate bending machine is produced by
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, the machine (model SKWB-2500) was deployed by the Jiangnan Shipyard.

Patent Documents:

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Here's a video that shows the machine at work:

I have to say, this machine, especially the concept behind it, is rather ingenious. Compared to
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, which require multiple time-consuming steps to form the final shape, this Chinese machine can form the plates in a single quick pass and with higher precision.

P.S. I had to share this because my inner geek finds this stuff fascinating.
 
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latenlazy

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According to
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, 055's construction employed the world's first 3D CNC plate bending machine for producing external plates with complex curvatures and shapes.

37697193482_88cee65206_o.jpg

37019575864_a782deba2b_o.jpg


I did some further digging, the CNC plate bending machine is produced by
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According to
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, the machine (model SKWB-2500) was deployed by the Jiangnan Shipyard.

Patent Documents:

37019575994_45342342a8_o.jpg


Here's a video that shows the machine at work:

I have to say, this machine, especially the concept behind it, is rather ingenious. Compared to
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, such as
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and hydraulic
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and
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, which require multiple time-consuming steps to form the final shape, this Chinese machine can form the plates in a single quick pass and with higher precision.

P.S. I had to share this because my inner geek finds this stuff fascinating.
Tbh I'm surprised no one came up with this idea sooner...it seems stupidly intuitive given how curved planes are drawn and modeled in math...
 

by78

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Tbh I'm surprised no one came up with this idea sooner...

I know, right? It's such a simple solution. Then again, elegant innovations tend make you wonder why nobody has come up with them before.

A disclaimer though: a similar solution might exist in other industries or for other uses. The Chinese source merely claims that this particular machine is the first in shipbuilding industry.

That said, I dug around quite a bit, but I couldn't find a similar solution employed elsewhere. So the concept itself appears novel and original.
 

AndrewS

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I don't see how packing it 2 into a cell is possible if 4 is not possible.


There is the matter of a larger HHQ-10 launcher being orders of magnitude less expensive than designing a bank of VLS modules into a 056.


LOL more voodoo tea leaf-reading math, and now you want to try and throw in 052C/D production and attempt to merge it into 055 production to get some kind of "Aegis" production. Can you even find any shred of evidence that PLAN planners think in terms of "Aegis" production rather than "052D" and "055" production? And why did you NOT include 2011? Is it because it also doesn't fit into your scheme of 3 "Aegis" per year? Only 2 052Cs were launched that year. And why did you NOT included 2017? A total of 3 052Ds are expected to be launched along with 1 055 already launched; that makes 4. So in actuality, out of a 7 year period that "Aegis" ships are being produced from 2011 to 2017, THREE years do not match up with your "3 Aegis per year" "new normal". That's 2-3-1-3-3-3-4, or almost HALF the time that according to you establishes some kind of track record of "Aegis" production. That's a ridiculous "trend", or rather not any kind of trend.

Second, even if true, a second shipyard says NOTHING about "at least" 3 ships per year. What happened to the possibility of two, or 1 per shipyard? This is especially useful for keeping two shipyards trained on 055 production instead of giving both contracts to one shipyard, which in turn is good for ramping up production if necessary to say 4 ships/year, 2 per shipyard. 2 per shipyard is actually what is happening with the first round of 055 production. In any case 2 shipyards =/= 3 ships/year no matter how you try to spin it. Even worse for you will be if 052D production continues at current rates. Your theory will be shot straight to hell when we see 4 052Ds launched next year along with 1 to 3 055s. That's 5-7 of your "Aegis" ships in 2018. A few more than three. Maybe it's the new normal. LOL

It's perfectly valid to group Type-52C and Type-52D. There was a significant overlap in their construction, and they do both fulfill the same function of air defence destroyer in the same hull and cost roughly the same.

I left out 2010 and 2011, because that was the initial ramp up of Type-52C after a long pause in construction, partially due to the shipyard moving location.

As per a naval shipbuilding analysis, doubling ship production typically results in a 20% decrease in unit cost. That argues against only 1 ship per year for 2 shipyards, particularly since we saw a period when Jiangnan was the sole shipbuilder assembling a ship every 6months.

And my words are at least 3 Type-55 per year up to 2019.

If you look at previous posts from a while ago, I do consider that 2 shipyards could produce 4 per year, and that China could theoretically sustain this indefinitely. If that becomes the new normal, its no skin off my back as it backs up my projection of 50-60 AEGIS-type destroyers in the next 20 years.

Also, all the Type-52D have already been launched, and we see no evidence of any more being constructed. We only see the 3x Type-55 which are still to be launched in 2017-2018. So how can we see another 4x Type-52D being launched in 2018 afterwards?

And if you disagree with my "voodoo economics", then you will have to also argue with the commandant of the US Naval Academy at Annapolis. A few years ago, the graduating of midshipmen were addressed by Niall Ferguson, who said that by the time those midshipmen became admirals, the US Navy would almost certainly no longer be the world's largest.

Plus I do find your choice of Voodoo and LOL as not being the spirit of a professional discussion.
 

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, 055's construction employed the world's first 3D CNC plate bending machine for producing external plates with complex curvatures and shapes.

37697193482_88cee65206_o.jpg

37019575864_a782deba2b_o.jpg


I did some further digging, the CNC plate bending machine is produced by
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According to
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, the machine (model SKWB-2500) was deployed by the Jiangnan Shipyard.

Patent Documents:

37019575994_45342342a8_o.jpg


Here's a video that shows the machine at work:

I have to say, this machine, especially the concept behind it, is rather ingenious. Compared to
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and hydraulic
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and
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, which require multiple time-consuming steps to form the final shape, this Chinese machine can form the plates in a single quick pass and with higher precision.

P.S. I had to share this because my inner geek finds this stuff fascinating.

The first image is of the new submarine construction hall.
 
here:
... If that becomes the new normal, its no skin off my back as it backs up my projection of 50-60 AEGIS-type destroyers in the next 20 years.

...
I'm wondering if you backed down from Jul 29, 2017
What is the endgame?

At the moment, I think they're working to an end-strength of roughly matching the USN. So after another 20 years, it will end up something like this

6+ Aircraft Carriers
90+ Large DDG Type-55/52 (3 per year)
60+ FFG Type-54 (2 per year)
60+ OPV (one off)

But I imagine that they revise the desired force structure every 5 years, according to how much the economy has grown (as military spending tracks at approximately 2% of GDP).

So a 7% growth rate over the next 5 years results in an overall increase of 40%, in which case they would revise the desired end-strength upwards.
perhaps?
 
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