055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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jobjed

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I am not sure if this is all speculation or contains real info. Anyway if you have not watched this video:


it says:
  • Type 055 is designed with UK help, to be an enlarged Type 42
  • But the placement of radars need to be 25+ meters tall, which means Type 055 will be overweight and China does not have large enough gas turbine at the time
That's the previous iteration of 055 from the 1970s. Supposedly, it's stated in the video that this design was cancelled due to the overweight radars and the lacklustre performance of Type 42s during the Falkland War. Subsequently, China went with LM2500s and French/US subsystems for the Type 052.

  • After many years, decided to use 4xQC280 and enlarge it further
  • Type 055 has electricity generator total output 12mw
  • Enough electricity to drive 346* radar panels and the x-band radar panels
  • Some speculation on Type 055 sensor fusion
  • Some speculation the VLS cells are large enough to launch drones

Nothing we don't already know. Other details are simply speculation.
 

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Early 055 model shows 128 VLS cells.

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Check out Henri's twitter.

Early 055 model shows 128 VLS cells.

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Hard to tell how many aft bank VLS there are in the model at the angle of that clip. It's notoriously difficult to accurately judge the number of VLS from a photo taken at a relatively low, side on angle.
 

Figaro

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Hard to tell how many aft bank VLS there are in the model at the angle of that clip. It's notoriously difficult to accurately judge the number of VLS from a photo taken at a relatively low, side on angle.

No, it appears to be 8x8 if you look closely. I'm almost certain there's 64 VLS cells on the aft. For the real ship, I'm split between 112 and 128.
 

Jeff Head

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Hard to tell how many aft bank VLS there are in the model at the angle of that clip. It's notoriously difficult to accurately judge the number of VLS from a photo taken at a relatively low, side on angle.
I used my phot enhancing software and there are clearly three rows of 16, with the start of a 4th row...which by all available thinking would stretch all the way across...making the aft array a total of 64.

But it is a model...and the forward array on the model is not placed like the one on the actual ship.

so we still do not know if the aft array on the actual ship looks like this.

I wish we could get one decent photo of the aft end of the existing ship.

You can bet that the US and other capable nations (and their close allies) knew on the day it was launched, or within a day or two of it.
 

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Some assumptions about the destroyer sensors Type 055
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The launch of the first Type 055 to June 28 was undoubtedly a major event of the year for the naval sector in China. Considered officially a "symbolic" warship for the strategic transformation of the Chinese navy, which slowly but surely accompanies the country's turn to embrace the oceans and its forsaken riches 400 years ago, one can easily understand The enthusiastic media and also Chinese enthusiasts.

But behind this media fanfare is actually a vacuum - apart from some photos published by the Chinese Navy and amateurs, as well as two reports broadcast on local television, no technical details valid on this largest destroyer ever built in China n ' Has been communicated.

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"published here 10 days ago, we have assembled all the first elements that seemed credible and useful on this class of ship moving more than 10,000 tons.
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, the day after the launching ceremony, indicating that the Type 055 is equipped with a COGAG propulsion, A highly integrated design for its sensors.

And it is probably this last point that interests us today. For if the armaments planned for the first four copies of the program did not reveal unexpected surprises, the presence of several sensor openings on the superstructure and its integrated mature Type 055 raises the curiosity of most observers.

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First Type 055 launched at Changxing Jiangnan Shipyard (Photo: 热血 老年)

Distributed on the periphery in the form of flat panels, these sensors thus arranged offer a hemispherical cover allowing the Type 055 to treat the different types of threat with the least possible angle of death.

The positioning of these sensors, which seems to have been carefully chosen, has the objective of reducing the risk of interference between transmitters and receivers and optimizing their simultaneous use.

It should be noted that few sensors - radars, antennas and jammers ... etc - have been installed on board today. Even slight deformation of the structure during the launching process could damage some of these external equipment if it had been implemented before.

What we see today on the Type 055 are therefore only "caches" or "empty boxes" in reality. Some are there to protect the empty openings before the installation works, others for the guests to have a glimpse of the final vessel once the weaponry is completed.

And for the only part of the superstructure in front, and with the clarity of the images available to date, we found at least 13 different types of these openings or "caches" for sensor.

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The lateral view of Type 055, with identified sensor openings (Image: East Pendulum)

In this new dossier of today, we will try to establish some working hypotheses concerning the nature of these sensors, based on:

  • On the one hand, the exchanges we had with our colleague Xavier of the Navyrecognition site,
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    , both from the French Navy, for some feedback Professionals on the subject.
  • And on the results obtained from our recent readings of academic documents and technical publications written by the entities that have been involved in the Type 055 program.
In May 2012, academic PAN Jing Fu (潘 镜 芙), also chief engineer of the 701 Institute of the Naval Group CSIC and several Chinese destroyer programs, published
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in which he gave his recommendations on the Integration of sensors into the superstructure and mature of warships.

Firstly, he carried out an inventory of the development of naval sensors today and pointed out that those which could be integrated were those using frequencies between 30 MHz and 300 GHz (ie HF to EHF), otherwise Radar, electronic warfare (EW) and communications equipment, IFF transponders, data links, data distribution systems (similar to the American CEC), and geolocation and positioning systems.

PAN then analyzes and regroups the different categories of sensor that use close frequency ranges, thus potentially easier to share the same antennas and achieve a real common integration -

  • Radars, operating in S-band, C-band and X-band, where physical approximation can generate interference between them
  • EW systems, where the radio frequency spectrum is usually very wide - 0.5 to 18 GHz for detectors, 8 to 20 GHz for interferers
  • The satellite communications systems: UHF (225 to 400 MHz) and SHF (7 to 8 GHz) for the most part, the size of the components is not necessarily imposing
  • Other tactical communication systems and data links: VHF or L-band for data links and distribution systems, and C-band for fast broadband data links
  • IFF and L-band GPS
Given the number of sensors a modern warship must have and the complexity of integration studies, this chief engineer insists heavily on the need to build a ground simulation platform to assess, in an integrated manner, The performance of the fused sensors, the observability of the ship's superstructure, and the electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) of the assembly.
 

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And such a platform, entirely dedicated to the Type 055 program, really came into being in 2013, when the design of the ship entered its 3rd year. The construction follow-up of this platform at one of the 701 sites near a lake in Wuhan City allowed us to see at the time what the ship already looked like and also some of the Its sensors.
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The EMC simulation platform on the ground under construction
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Some openings on the platform face a lake in Wuhan to avoid the nuisance to the neighboring population
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The ground simulation platform dedicated to the Type 055 program, in 2015.
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The sensor openings we identified on the superstructure and the integrated mast of the Type 055 (Image: East Pendulum)
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Another integrated mast studied by Institute 701


The upper part of the Integrated Mast (①) of the Type 055 is visually very different from that of the two previous Chinese destroyer classes, Type 052C and Type 052D , and consists of 6 coaxial antenna layers of different diameter.

At the top is a "disc" that looks like a TACAN air navigation system, and then, from top to bottom, there are 3 layers of small antennas and 2 large ones - small ones of higher frequency and The lower ones - and the whole seems to be fixed on "bi-conical tubes".
 

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Finally ...
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, which designed a network of high-gain VHF / UHF Controllable beams.
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On the left, the diagram of the antenna array designed by Institute No. 20 of the CETC group (Image: East Pendulum)

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suggest that these antennas (①) can be used in the transmission, reception and interception of communication, or radio-direction finding and data linking. This agrees with the opinion of the experts quoted by our colleague from Navyrecognition.

As for the boxes in position ②, the same type of equipment is already on the other Chinese destroyers and it would be the self-defense jammers.

The openings in ③, ⑤, ⑥ and ⑦ remain unknown to date, but they are located on at least 3 faces of the integrated mast and are assumed to correspond to the locations of the SATCOM, Ku receiver and transmitter antennas and EHF, as well as the same type of data distributor as the American CEC.

The relatively large plane surface in position ④ seems to leave little doubt that it is a precision X-band radar, probably dedicated to the firing of armaments like the various guns and CIWS on board.

But a source close to the Chinese navy had indicated that the new plane APAR radar type 346B (?) In S-band, which can be seen in position ⑪, also incorporates the functions of firing. If this is confirmed, it would be interesting to know the precise role of each one or if there is a voluntary search for redundancy.

As for the long and large boxes installed just above the 4 faces of the Type 346B radar, in position ⑧, the same but smaller ones are found on the Type 052D destroyers and this would be the IFF transponders of the ship.

Their relative larger size suggests that the Type 346B Type 055 radar is much more powerful and therefore increased range compared to Type 346A Type 052D radar , forcing the IFF transponders to extend their range as well.

It should be noted that the cost of each APAR Type 346 four-sided radar installed on the 6 Type 052C destroyers cost the Chinese Navy more than 500 million yuan (~ 64 million), or 1/6 Of the price of a ship. If this price ratio is maintained with the new Type 055, the Type 346B could cost in the 1 billion yuan (~ 128 million €).

Aside from the price, the Type 346B radar also weighs very heavily, in the literal sense of the term. Indeed, according to
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filed by Institute 14 of the CETC group, designer of this series of Chinese APAR, some compartments of the radar measure 10m × 2,5m × 2,6m and weigh in 10 tons.

They are installed on an inclined base of 70 ° and 7 meters high. But reading the text suggests that this installation is on the ground, so it is plausible that this concerns the simulation platform of the Type 055 in Wuhan.
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The installation of certain compartments of an APAR developed by Institut 14 of the CETC group.

Alongside the supposed IFF transponders are also other long boxes (⑨), pointing to the front, port and starboard of the ship. Their utilities remain mysterious because they do not find the same on the Type 052D destroyers, although quite recent.

Some believe it to be a C-band transponder of the H / HQ-9B anti-aircraft missile, others suggest the possibility of LPI passive radar, or navigation radar, but the truth may be quite different.

The openings ⑫ located next to each face of the Type 346B radar are in the same direction as the latter. Its function remains unknown.

The same mystery for large and thick flat faces, one of which is on the approaches under the bridge, and the other on the side of the double shed. Opinions differ on its functions - some analysts speak of a HPM (High-Power Microwave) weapon of high power, others a cooling device, but neither seems convincing.

An HPM weapon, such as the one we have already mentioned in the "
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" file at the beginning of the year, requires a much too high power, of the order of GW, for a ship Which generates approximately 20 MW according to the first estimates.

If it is a cooling device, its central position on the approaches to the superstructure seriously damages the lateral thermal signature of the ship, and there is no reason to have such a device on the shed side.

There is a third possibility that they could be broadband jammers to cover the entire area of the Type 055.
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The first Type 055 wreathing ceremony.

Finally, according to a Chinese analyst relayed by the Science and Technology Daily newspaper , Type 346B Type 055 radar reportedly used gallium nitride (GaN) based components that can work at much higher temperatures and voltages, Thereby reducing the stacking of components and the need for cooling. Compatible CMOS, they are also inexpensive to manufacture.

Of course, the use of GaN components in the sensors of Type 055 remains to be confirmed.

It is true that many equipment and sensors on the Type 055 have not yet found an explanation because it is difficult to carry out a fast and reliable identification today, for lack of official data.

Further vertical research on published technical documents and entities that have contributed to the development of the Type 055 could very likely establish new links with the project and thus reveal other interesting information.

To be continued.

Henri K.
 
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