055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[taxiya]

The quoted draft seems a tad low for standard displacement. The photos show the antifouling paint going up to about 9m draft at the bow. Although, if that includes the sonar bulb, then the mean draft is certainly less.

I agree, I put question there because Aleigh Burke at less than 10000 full load has 9.3 meters.

 

[Iron Man]

The unit cost per ship, including tests and armaments, is reduced by one third to 6 billion yuan (775 million euros), compared with 9 billion euros (1.16 billion euros) previously.

I still find this number hard to believe given the extremes of sensor integration we are seeing on this ship. Hull/mast integration essentially quadruples the cost of many of the sensors, which are easily the most costly of all the components of a warship. And yet this ship is supposed to be less than half the cost of an Arleigh Burke?

The other invisible part of the progress made by the new Type 055 lies in its level of data management and integration (集成 集成).

According to the same source close to the Chinese navy, the electromagnetic frequency management of the ship is highly integrated, "a level much higher than Type 052D".


The Type 055 integrated mast

The number of new sensors, which now support a wider spectrum of frequencies, is significantly reduced and most of the functions are provided by software and not by hardware, making future upgrades easier and cheaper.

Yes, software matters a lot. Shocking.

The ship would also be fitted with meter warning radars, replacing the former Type 517B , and dedicated X-band firewall .

The main combat systems of the Type 055, for their part, have been completely redesigned. Ship command and fire control are now integrated, and standardization of the equipment is practically possible at all levels, ranging from trans-armed databases up to the smallest chiller, computers, simulators and Systems for example.

The metric EW radars could be referring to the rectangular blocks that intersperse the IFF arrays. That makes perfect sense, actually. X-band firewall is obviously some kind of mistranslation, but he may be referring to an X-band MFR that's been speculated to be on the 055, the most obvious candidate being the biggest panel on each face of the main mast.

Sources indicate that systems can integrate all sorts of data from other platforms, such as satellites, planes, ships, submarines and ground units. And, equipped with a fleet command system, Type 055 would be able to directly use the armaments of other vessels under its command.

"Fleet command system" clearly refers to a cruiser-type function that has not been stated to be aboard the 052C/D destroyer. It would also obviously necessitate a CEC-type network for it to work.

Now, does the anti-missile mentioned here correspond to the anti-ballistic missile, as evidenced by some American destroyers Arleigh Burke with their Aegis combat system upgraded to Baseline 9?

In reality the anti-missile quoted by the institutional text speaks only of the anti-missile of the cruise type, like anti-ship missiles for example. And the reason is relatively simple, China does not (yet) need this kind of capacity even though

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The fact that China does not have military bases overseas and territories outside the continent to protect makes the naval intercept of ballistic missiles totally useless, the geographical location of the country implies.

For the main short-range and medium-range ballistic missile threats that the country faces - notably from India and North Korea - ground-based means are much more effective and successful today.

One thing Henri forgot is that HQ-26 wouldn't just be good for ballistic missiles, but also useful as an LEO ASAT missile, which in the case of a war against high tech enemies would very much be a useful asset.

Theoretically, all Chinese missiles whose size does not exceed 9 meters in length and 0.85 meters in diameter can and can be launched, provided that the combat system is compatible therewith.

Clearly the 0.85m refers to the internal width of the VLS canister not the empty VLS slot itself.

To date, the Chinese navy plans to equip their first Type 055 with HQ-9B anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 200 km, anti-ship missiles YJ-18A , a new type of anti-aircraft missile And YJ-18 family Sea-Sol cruising missiles , ie, practically the same as those already found on Type 052D destroyers.

This must be a reference to an MRSAM, since the 055 will already have an LRSAM (HHQ-9B) and an SRSAM (HHQ-10). DK-10A?

With the Type 055, the Chinese navy comes to place the last part of its diagram of the first line fighting ships, now restricted to only 4 major categories - 1,000, 4,000, 6,000 and 12,000 tons - a scheme that is also Respected by the development of all new programs - Type 056 (1 000 tonnes), Type 054A andType 054B (4 000 tonnes), and Type 052D (6 000 tonnes).

I'm not sure where he is getting his numbers from here. The 056 is larger than other 1,000t ships and the 052D is larger than other 6,000t ships (e.g. French FREMM).

It should be noted that although NATO has already classified Type 055 in the category of cruiser (CG), but the positioning of the vessel defined by the Chinese Navy is clear and unambiguous, A destroyer, and that is how it should be considered.

It should be noted that even in this article the 055 is described as having cruiser-type functions ("fleet command") that have not been used to describe 052C/D, so regardless of what it's named, a cruiser by any other name.... would still smell like a cruiser.

 

[Iron Man]

I venture to ask if this:

could be a three-band radar (as in for example S/C/X)?

(the view comes from

which I now watched)

No, there is no reason to have both C and X on the same ship because they will perform the same functions. Shipborne sensors are grouped into three classes: Ku/X/C band for terminal illumination, 'fine' tracking and limited search (e.g. horizon search), S band for midcourse guidance, 'coarse' tracking, and volume search, and L/VHF for early warning. So the 055 would have one of each category. Possibly only the X/C-band radar will be represented on the main mast (the largest rectangle on the bottom of your screenshot). The two smaller rectangles on top could be anything from navigation to ECM to communications/datalinking.

I agree, I put question there because Aleigh Burke at less than 10000 full load has 9.3 meters.

the 9.3m is definitely the navigational draft, which would include the sonar dome. The hull draft is more like 6.Xm.

 

[latenlazy]

I still find this number hard to believe given the extremes of sensor integration we are seeing on this ship. Hull/mast integration essentially quadruples the cost of many of the sensors, which are easily the most costly of all the components of a warship. And yet this ship is supposed to be less than half the cost of an Arleigh Burke?

Maybe it's not that the 055 is too cheap, but that the Arleigh Burke is too expensive?

 

[Iron Man]

Maybe it's not that the 055 is too cheap, but that the Arleigh Burke is too expensive?

The Daring cost >$1.6billion per ship. Was it also too expensive? Would you like me to name some more destroyers?

 

[asif iqbal]

How much is Type 055?

$1 billion ?

 

[Iron Man]

How much is Type 055?

$1 billion ?

The truest answer: none of us have a clue.

 

[latenlazy]

The Daring cost >$1.6billion per ship. Was it also too expensive? Would you like me to name some more destroyers?

You can keep naming destroyers, but that doesn't mean procurement might be less efficient than it could have been with any of those examples.

 

[A.Man]

集合X，S，C，米波等集一身，4套盾，16面阵！

055 has X, S, C, and Meter Wave band radars; 4 sets of wave panels, total 16 panels

 

[taxiya]

the 9.3m is definitely the navigational draft, which would include the sonar dome. The hull draft is more like 6.Xm.

If we assume 8m of 055 is something accurate. What do you guess it would be referring to? 8m being hull draft compared with 6.xm (even 6.9m) would be too much for 055? Or the 8m figure is very off.