055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Iron Man

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Is the radar same size as on the 052D or does it looks bigger?
It looks to be about the same size, if not exactly the same size. TBH this will all depend on what the largest (square) panel on the main mast is. If that is an X- or C-band MFR, it means that the big cheek panels on the 055 represent a new variant of the 346A, maybe "346B", in which the S-band portion has been completely separated from the C-band portion. If you then still have a panel with the same overall dimensions, that means the S-band will then occupy the entirety of the panel and will consequently house more T/R modules for a bigger and more powerful radar. A clue to a possible new variant radar may come in the form of no "windshield wipers" present on the 055, though this could easily be because they haven't been installed yet. Hopefully these "wipers" don't represent any function of importance for the 346/A because that would probably represent a potential single-point failure for that entire panel.

Rumor also said its displacement would be around 12,000. Is there anyone having comments on such a 'Big' destroyer? Why does it have almost double of the displacement of its precedent? Anyway, the preceding type 052D is around 7000 tons.
Maybe 10,000 standard and 12,000 full. If it is 10,000 full then this ship is just about the size of a Ticonderoga cruiser.

from the video shows clearly 2x 64 VLS .. and you said the video is accurate
There is nothing in that video that shows the aft VLS section (unless you saw something I didn't), so the question of 112 vs 128 is still open technically, though I think it seems rather unlikely that it will be 128 at this point.

I mean on the starboard side of the hanger, right below the decoy launchers. They're likely another one on its port side.
BTW, the correct spelling is "hangar" not "hanger". Those large panels are certainly a mystery. Also, the rectangular recessed panels below the bridge wings and on the helicopter deckhouse are different in size from each other, with the rear one being longer. I doubt they are any kind of ECM emitters. I was thinking those might be air intakes?? The 056 has something like this but much smaller; then again I don't know if the 056 panels are ventilation-related either.



In any case, some other observations:

1) the bow sonar bulb is just huge. This could represent a new hull-mounted sonar system for the PLAN.
2) the enclosed foredeck is obvious just from the presence of those "peepholes" above each hawse fairlead. No need to even look top down to confirm.
3) there seem to be 7 or 8 rectangular structures above the bridge arranged in an octagonal formation. I thought there would just be 4 of them which would kind of box them into being IFF antennas. But now there are 3 or 4 (can't see the base of the main mast) additional smaller rectangular structures interspersed between the larger ones. They are clearly different in size and shape (especially the rear faces). I wonder if these could be navigational radars?
4) the ESM mast is somewhat different from the Wuhan mockup, though this could be accounted for by some form of new exterior shielding for the purpose of RCS reduction or perhaps weatherproofing.
5) the RHIB garages are in fact located amidships as speculated, and not at the helicopter deckhouse.
6) the amidships hump behind the stacks seems to have air intake functions based on the preliminary photos (though we'll see if this holds up). In addition to be potentially sucking up missile exhaust from the rear VLS section, it is on the same level as the amidships weather deck itself which means people will be walking right past the intakes. I guess they should be careful about walking too close to the vent openings....
7) the railing on the amidships weather deck seems to either have not been installed or is using the standard rod and chain railing instead of the solid sheet metal railing.
8) the chaff/flare launchers seem to be a different design from the ones we have seen on the other ships. Specifically the launcher tubes seem to be have a cover that has possibly been stealthified.
9) the radar dome on top of the helicopter deck could either be a satcom or a data link. It's certainly not a VSR.
9) the only thing important left to see is the aft VLS section. I almost feel like the PLAN photographers are deliberately withholding this bit of fan-favorite information just to get a rise out of us.
10) oh, and the ass-end of course. Whether or not there is a large panel opening in the transom for a VDS.
 

MwRYum

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I believe I've to drop most of the other stuff but I think I can try respond this one...
...As for the other Chinese navy closing the gap and other navies wanting funding, that funding all depends on their own strategic requirements and isn't something that can be reduced down to "let's try to keep ahead of the Chinese Navy".
It's rather simple in a way: back then and actually for a long time, they didn't consider the PLAN anywhere near as a worthy adversary; but the progress made by the PLAN, especially in the last decade, is quite rapid to say the least. And now they've to contend with PLAN in any future war scenario against China, as all of them are in the US-led bloc...alas, budgeting becomes a major issue even for the US, for obvious reasons.
 

Totoro

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One of the first launch images in the thread showed the rear part of the unfinished #2 hull with its openings
 

Tyloe

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BTW, the correct spelling is "hangar" not "hanger". Those large panels are certainly a mystery. Also, the rectangular recessed panels below the bridge wings and on the helicopter deckhouse are different in size from each other, with the rear one being longer. I doubt they are any kind of ECM emitters. I was thinking those might be air intakes?? The 056 has something like this but much smaller; then again I don't know if the 056 panels are ventilation-related either.
Thank you for the correction. For the panels are you sure they're not the same size? I don't know how to use the pixel program but it could help. Also the 056's hangar panels are for its torpedo launchers.
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Blitzo

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regarding 10, we had a photo of the aft of 055 hull 1 back last year which showed it had a square opening consistent with the shape of the VDS opening on 052D and 054A+. And of course the various CGIs from red shark over the months have also indicated the same VDS opening is there (more on those CGIs later)

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regarding 3, for the 055's bridge mounted arrays, we had an early photo of the ship yesterday or so showing the presence of an array immediately behind the mast, making 8 total arrays. It appears there are two "sets" of arrays, one being a rectangular/longer set that is positioned immediately above the main APARs, and another shorter array set that's facing immediately forward, starboard, port and rear.
I'm not really sure what they are for, they could be navigational radars of some kind but that seems like a rather over the top configuration for something that would usually be relatively small and low profile even on a non-integrated mast warship.
I feel like they could be anything from ESM to EW or even some kind of MFR, that's assuming the longer arrays above the main APAR are fulfilling a similar function to the speculated IFF arrays on 052D.

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Regarding the strange rectangular + square protrusions on the side of the hull on the helicopter hangar structure as well as immediately in front of the RHIB davit, there's been a bit of speculation that they might be vents+covers similar to what 056 has, but having looked quite at a few photos of those protrusions they seem like solid protrusions rather than a cover. Other options that has been brought up have been is that they might be some sort of ECM array, or possibly even VSRs, though for a VSR it would be a rather strange configuration given their conformal hull placement but more importantly because their position means there would be no rear and forward cover for the VSR given the lack of any similar forward array.


Also, I think the revelation of 055 in its configuration and a release of some photos taken over the last year or so which weren't released but only just released now (some can be seen on xinfengcao's twitter) indicates red shark and the other spotters indeed had much better access to vantage points to see the 055 and its construction beyond the photos that they were prepared to release to us, meaning their CGIs were indeed well informed based on good visual evidence of the real thing. Assuming they are able to maintain that physical access in future, it means any future CGIs from them depicting JNCX projects should be considered in high confidence.
 

Blitzo

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Thank you for the correction. For the panels are you sure they're not the same size? I don't know how to use the pixel program but it could help. Also the 056's hangar panels are for its torpedo launchers.
VG4BAuU.png

I think the two protruding panels may be the same height but the forward one is definitely shorter than the rearward one.
 

Insignius

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The VSR-debate is interesting.

Here, we have some more shots that might give us some ideas...

old pic of a radar testbed - we can see the same conformal mounted array as well:
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And here, we see the hole for it:
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