055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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jobjed

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tphuang said:
As for whether or not 055 has started building, I would say that it probably has started. But I'm not sure who you are referring to as silly here and why would it make people silly.
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I think he meant it will make the people who are propagating this news look silly if the 055 wasn't actually being built.
 
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foxmulder

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Jeff Head said:
Sorry, but that's really not an accurate statement

Originally the DDX, then the DD21, and finally the DDG-1000 the program was going to be a class of 32 ships, with the large R&D spread out over that entire build. The R&D that has gone on with the Zumwalts is simply amazing stuff, and will be a game changer for the Zumwalts, as well as other vessels who will make use of that technology in the future.

But now, it has to be spread over three ships...not 32. So saying it is "procurement gone wild," as if though each ship will cost $7 billion is just not dealing with the realities of the situation as it developed.

Now, in 2013, the actual cost of the USS Zumwalt, DDG-1000, is going to come in at about $3.5 billion dollars. The second, the USS Monsoor, DDG-1002, is now expected tp cost $2.5 billion, and the third, USS Lyndon Johnson, DDG-1002, is now expected to come in at just over $2 billion. That's a total of $8 billion for all three ships, each of which is a 14,500 ton, high-tech cruiser sized fighting vessel with absolute cutting edge technology.

That's will be an average of $2.66 billion per vessel, which is high, but when you compare it to the $1.2 billion unitary cost for the 9,400 ton Arleigh Burke IIA, it is not terribly out of kilter, especially, as I say, since the build was cut back to just three vessels.
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R&D cost should be included. How much tax payers paid for the project at the end? Can you really say 8 billion? Is that fair?

Saying "future projects will use these technology" is sugar coating it. Naturally, there will be lots learned from Zumwalt but still the R&D is done for Zumwalt. It is the case for all technological development. You can say the next ship type, which will use the same systems, will be cheaper thanks to Zumwalt but cannot say 3 Zumwalts only cost 8 billion, IMHO.
 
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foxmulder said:
R&D cost should be included. How much tax payers paid for the project at the end? Can you really say 8 billion? Is that fair?

Saying "future projects will use these technology" is sugar coating it.
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You can call it what you will. In numerous cases it is simply also true.

As I said, depending on the project sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't counted on multiple projects. Nothing illegal or nefarious about it.

You may not like it...and that is fine. Write your senators and congressmen. I write mine all the time and usually get a decent response.

Blaming the builder or the military on costs because a 32 ship build was turned into a 3 ship build is something that the press and those with an ax to grind also do all the time. I do not like that either and voice my concerns over it.

In many cases, where appropriate and possible, R&D costs are indeed spread out over multiple projects if those project make use of the fruits. Not unusual and not "illegal," or "sneaky," in the least. It just allows a company to recoup its costs, or a government agency to justify them when possible.

As it is, all of this talk about the Zumwalt on the PLAN Type 055 thread is completely off topic. If you want to pursue it futher...do it on the Zumwalt thread.
 
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steve_rolfe

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jobjed said:
I think he meant it will make the people who are propagating this news look silly if the 055 wasn't actually being built.
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Yes exactly!...............the people who are propagating this news

The sources of info on the 055 i was refering to, are Chinese military websites.........who regularly write articles talking about their forthcoming 12,000t Destroyer.............mind you i get the impression they are just copying articles written outside of China on the subject of 055, and have no more clue, as to when this vessel will be built, than anyone else!
 
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FarkTypeSoldier

FarkTypeSoldier

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Just a share for tots...

From this video it introduces the PLAN may have a fleet of 10 ships of Chinese Aegis of Typr 052C & 052D combined.

[video=youtube;YA89H_rytj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA89H_rytj0[/video]

At 06:09 to 06:35, it also briefly mentions that:

1) Mass production of Type 052C shows the maturity of this class of DDG for PLAN's 3rd gen DDG.

2) Mass production of Type 052D shows the progressive advancement of PLAN.

3) The so-called or rumoured Type 055's research is the PLAN's plan for 4th gen DDG, it would be the PLAN's main surface combatant for 2020 to 2030; comparable to DDG 1000 and AB III DDGs.

Cheers
 
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SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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FarkTypeSoldier said:
Most probably the operation time would be 2016 or 2017. By 2020, it should enter mass production or earlier.

BTW, where did you know this recent rumour?
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Heard it from a guy whose "claims" have never gone unsatisfied. He also has an eerie ability to leak stuff weeks before big shrimps do.
 
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Bltizo said:
A link would be helpful.
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He stated it was a rumor. I doubt there is a link with anything verifiable. If there is a link it is probably to another forum or blog just stating what we just read.

He says it is a rumor from a guy who has an "eerie capability" of leaking "stuff" before the big shrimps do.

Maybe he does...maybe he doesn't.

One thing is for sure, it will not take too long to find out if a May 2014 start of build occurs.
 
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